Styles make fights:Hopkins vs. Dawson 2

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  1. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eIdlq8IIZk[/ame], pretty good video. Feel free to add to it.
     
  2. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  3. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The video says Hopkins aint got any new tricks.

    Hopkins is the craftiest fighter of all time, Hopkins aint even talking about Dawson in press conferences or interviews, he just keeping silent on the issue until fight night.

    BHop made Dawson do a rugby tackle in just 2 rounds, BHop frustrated Chad in two rounds and this is a 12 round war, I think new tricks aint required for BHop, the old tricks will do to get into Chad's head.
     
  4. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One thing he kept bringing up was the feints and he said Chad never fell for them but than again Hopkins takes his time and it takes usually 3 rounds before he figures you out. B-Hop is like a scientist in the ring because he analizes everything you do before identifying mistakes and staying with it. He also says Hopkins isn't fast enough and dawson has too much speed, but Dawson would of always had a speed advantage on Hopkins IMO. Still doesn't mean he beats him. And than he brought up Calzaghe, but Calzaghe's workrate is destroys Chad Dawson's workrate. He made some valid points but if you noticed he never mentions Dawson's weaknesses.
     
  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    You cant take him seriously because he based his whole prediction on just one round of boxing.
    Two, three rounds of boxing and at one point you will not react to the faint and boom !
     
  6. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
  7. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is one of the many perspectives, I for one didn't see Dawson's great timing - everytime Hopkins feinted to throw the right counter and that the analyst described as slow, dawson just kept poised and his arms high, Dawson did not capitalize countering inside like when someone misses his, you counter-his counter so both were uneffective at most. Dawson's arms are too long to be quick enough to react so fast and his legs are big too so he can't move that smoothly either, I disagree with the analyst, nobody was actually winning the fight but Bernard was much more active moving and tryin whereas Dawson was pressing step by step but always alert for something to come back at him and that's where all you folks have to pay attention, dawson can't move on swinging and fighting-slash-boxing B'Nard or else some of those feints will produce the effect the analyst pointed out with Toney and Rahman.
     
  8. Prince.

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    B hop is no legend in my books.
     
  9. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. But what don't understand is him saying that Hopkins was losing because Dawson was throwing punches and pressing the fight but Hopkins actually landed more punches on him and not only that, Hopkins was controlling the pace(that's ring generalship) and he didn't land anything cleanly but neither did Dawson. So now we have a chess match and the later rounds would of told the story. Hopkins doesn't start making big adjustments until after round 2 or 3 usually. Feints don't work against someone like Dawson in the beginning of a fight but as the fight goes on, it will start working if he's not hitting anything. And in those 2 rounds, Hopkins was starting to frustrate him.(you could see it)
     
  10. divac

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    Dawson was pressing the action as the aggressor and Hopkins was attempting to disrupt Dawson by feinting him.
    The feints did nothing to stop Dawson's flow of advancing.

    The few rounds that the fight went, you could see Dawson start to impose himself and closing the gap to which to land hard and effectively.

    .....once this happened, Hopkins turned Ruiz and started holding, grabbing, clinching, and trying to stall the action that way.

    At the point Dawson comes in aggressively and Hopkins climbs on top to push on Dawson's head, Dawson is having none of it and in an attempt to show Hopkins he's not going to do that throughout the fight, he lifts Hopkins off of him to which Hopkins takes that short window he has there to bow out of a fight he knows he's going to lose, and resorts to faking an injury which Hopkins has done on more than one occasion in the past.


    End of story!
    The next issue is Chad Dawson's easy victory over Bernard Hopkins thats coming up!:deal
     
  11. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People dont appreciate BHop's style, Hopkins doesnt stall the action he stalls his opponent.

    Hopkins was circling Dawson to the left to take away Chad's jab and cross, and then suddenly switches to circling right so gaps can open up in Dawson's southpaw guard for a lead right hand. While throwing the right hand, rushing in with his head as a protection, BHop can skip the mid range and take it to the inside.

    Chad Dawson would want it to be at midrange where he can do what he does best and throw combos, Hopkins aint spoiling nothing by mugging shots, smothering Chad on the inside, he is just spoiling Dawson which eventually frustrated Dawson into making a rugby tackle.

    Also the first fight was only 4/5 minutes long so openings in Dawsons guard were not as easy to find since Dawson is pretty much fresh. But as the fight progresses and both men tire openings on both men will be availabe where we going to see which man can capitilize into landing shots. A tired Veteran will have more success agianst a tired Dawson with feints, lateral movement and counters.
     
  12. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    seriously mate..? what the **** do you mean by crafty..? he's a dirty fighter, crafty..?

    Do you mean he is going to up his ratio of throwing lead right heads, following through with his head into a clinch...?

    "Bernard Hopkins whole game plan is to break your rhythm and hopefully get his shots off when you are resetting. But the problem is that when he comes up against fighters who can reset faster than he can counter or attack..? he is completely ****ed. He cannot cope with fighters who are athletically gifted and have above average ring IQ's like himself. That has always ALWAYS been his weakness..? Chad Dawson, Joe Calzaghe, Prime Roy Jones, Chris Eubank all beat ANY version of Bernard Hopkins"

    He's not beating Chad Dawson, and if he fights a honest fight..? He's getting stopped mate.
     
  13. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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    I expect Chad Dawson to beat down Hopkins.
     
  14. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you are saying Hopkins is not crafty?

    I am not praising his style, nor am I hating on his style, but I have to show respect to those suttle moves he makes in the ring because it is effective whether you like it or not.

    Hopkins use of head, the clinch and control of range is genius work and if this work aint given respect it frustrates the opponent.

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    You mention some serious bull**** later on. You say Eubank, Dawson and Calzaghe would beat ANY version of Hopkins just shows you dont know **** about baaxin.

    Hopkins in his physical prime was a KO artist. Today he aint a KO artist he is a crafty veteran. Only a crafty fighter can win rounds against elote level opposition when they have surpassed their physical prime, fighters such as Toney, Moore, Morales...... They were not able to do it like they were used to but they knew the game well enough to employ suttle moves for their own advantage.

    George Foreman wasnt a crafty fighter, and in his late return wasnt able to win rounds against elite opponents, he just always had KO power as an advantage. You should accept Hopkins being the craftiest fighter of all time.
     
  15. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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