Stylistic nightmares for the following fighters

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Every great boxer had (potential or actual) stylistic nightmares.

    For example, Ali had extremely hard time vs Norton every time they fought.
    Pac struggled badly against JMM every time he faced him.

    What stylistic nightmares do you think will be for those fighters? (or were actually in their resumes)

    SRR
    Joe Louis
    Rocky Marciano
    Ray Leonard
    Roberto Duran
    Pernell Whitaker
    Evander Holyfield
    Lennox Lewis
    Floyd Mayweather
    Vitali Klitschko
    Wlad Klitschko
     
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  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent!
     
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  3. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Can't really contribute as I have trouble analysing or understanding styles and how they compare and contrast. Great idea for a thread though and I will be following with interest. For all the mentions of 'styles make fights' I find it is usually the perceived pedigree/level of the respective fighters which most affects proceedings.?
     
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  4. Grapefruit

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    Sugar ray Robinson: pressure fighters with tough chins.

    Joe Louis: smart fast counter punchers.

    Rocky marciano: fighters with one hitter quiter type power like foreman.

    Ray Leonard: pressure fighters

    Duran: power punchers

    Parnell Whitaker: pressure fighters

    evander holyfield: out fighters with reach and good movement

    Lennox lewis: hard hitters

    Floyd mayweather: pressure fighters

    Viteli: out fighters with a good jab and good movement.

    Wlad: fighters who are the same height as him or taller.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Wlad's is obviously Sanders.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns would of been a nightmare for SRR because Robi`s style was based on exploiting his reach and jab but I feel Hearns could out jab him because of his reach meaning SRR would have to change his style, Mayweather would have been too much for Leonard I feel because of his amazing counter right to the jab which Ray was open to because he kept his lead was held low after he jabbed, Holmes would have given Lewis problems with the jab Lewis always had problems with a decent jab, Bruno and Mercer out jabbed Lewis in their clashes and Holmes was far better than both those fighters.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wlad improved after that bout defensively.
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    One hitter type power? You realize Marciano had an iron chin.

    I think fast boxers who move well is his kryptonite
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t think power punchers would be a problem for Duran at lightweight despite him being dropped by DeJesus because Duran at his best was a nightmare to hit, Hearns blew Duran away because of his reach the only quality fighter that came close to Tommy`s reach and power at lightweight was Arguello but Duran might have been able to take Arguello`s shots and may have landed his punishing punches enough to stop Alexis before he could land one of his big right hands. There was no pressure fighter at lightweight that gave Whitaker problems that was Pernell`s best weight.
     
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  10. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure Ray would figure this out.. and probably move right through the pot shot of Floyd .. If Ray got through to Hearns .. Floyd shouldn't be a problem, He's too big, strong, and tough for Floyd anyway
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Floyd was harder to hit than Ray though, it`s hard to work out how to land when he used the shoulder roll so well and Floyd is very strong up close in the clinch but I saw a fight channel saying Ray wouldn`t be inside long enough because he was great at judging range and coming in and out so fast, so maybe his reach would help him.
     
  12. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting the fight channel saw the fight going that way .. I don't see the shoulder roll up against the ropes working that long for Floyd, don't see him having the power to keep Ray off him.. He would be getting hit with some of the fastest hands and flurries in boxing history and the fight is going to the ropes and often if Ray is smart and he could control that .. Floyd might win a center of the ring fight .. That's my take on it
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    I'm gonna go for guys who didn't face these but who I think would give them hell.

    SRR - Robinson was basically a complete fighter but I really think he's gonna struggle with those spoiler types who can make you miss in the pocket up close whilst landing sneaky counters. So I'm gonna say Cory Spinks gives him hell.

    Joe Louis - again pretty complete but for me his biggest issue would be facing someone who is gonna completely prevent him getting close and getting his best work done, so my pick for this fight is Tyson Fury.

    Rocky Marciano - you could be forgiven for thinking he's unbeatable at his weight class and finding someone to favour over him sub 200 is a nightmare. But I think given how open he is, he's asking to be one bombed against Sam Langford.

    Ray Leonard - he had to pull it out of the bad to beat Benitez because he was against someone who was a superior athlete and had to rely on his boxing skills, someone who could go one better than Benitez is Sweet Pea imo.

    Roberto Duran - Duran is as fundamentally sound as they come, to beat him you have to be quicker than him and able to land shots then get away again. I'm gonna go with Locce here.

    Pernell Whitaker - he's one of the best fighters I ever seen and beating him will require something exceptional but I reckon Hearns has the best chance because he wouldn't have to worry about the power.

    Evander Holyfield - Holyfield is one of the most multi dimensional fighters we've ever had at the HW division but he did show that he can get banged out by a bigger puncher, this is where Joshua can shine.

    Lennox Lewis - arguably the most complete fighter we've had above 240 pounds but I always felt if anyone was gonna get under that jab and bomb him out it would be prime Tyson.

    Floyd Mayweather - push him hard for 12 rounds, don't give him any space and fight dirty when required I reckon MAB has an excellent shot at taking a hard fought decision here.

    Vitali Klitschko - Vitali is the weakest inside fighter I ever did see at the HW division and whilst he had great control of range I always felt Frazier would be able to throw him off balance and out land him on the inside.

    Wlad Klitschko - if anyone is gonna get him out of there time and time again it's gonna be Sonny Liston, very few could be expected to out jab Wlad but Liston with his long arms is probably the quicker man here and once he gets Wlad on the back foot he's gonna unleash the bombs that will signal an early night.

    There's obviously others out there but I've tried avoiding any obvious choices.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I think you could be right about Fury Hearns and Liston because I`m sure each of them is/was in the top 5-10 in terms of having the longest reaches in boxing history, but I disagree that Liston was faster than Wlad. Who is MAB?
     
  15. janitor

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    Pretty much spot on for all!
     
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