Sudden increased muscle mass and improved stamina are the biggest signs of PED use

Oh I've no doubt as Kell Brook was shredded,BJS doesn't look like that but I ain't pretending he's clean though let's be honest here are any clean?

Best recent examples are Canelos traps in his move up to middleweight,so obvious he juicing as he's always been a big man and didn't need to do anything at 160 but he's turned into the hulk lol.
Jacobs n Ward both looked juiced and Errol Spence lol,anyway I've no probs with it and I'm sure they don't,GGG,Kovalev ect they've all been on something at some point and quite often it shows when they're forced to do Vada testing.

 

Are all the tea sippers dopers ? all but the Fury's?

 

I am in agreement with most that Athletes take PEDs look at the cyclists. It's quite laughable how open it is with TUEs retroactive or otherwise and other shenanigans. The whole Russian situation was also hilarious. It's rank hypocrisy from the western media and athletic commissions. Not to mention the IOC. But what are the testing procedures during and after the fight? Because dringsike ephedrine and other mild amphetamines could actually allow you to gain a second wind. What's in the water bottles etc? Anthony Joshua got a right energy boost after changing his gumshield.

 

I've had them both on ignore for a while now, logging in is a very peaceful and happy experience for me these days.

 

BJS was trained well and was well trained, his stamina wasn't drastically improved, Just because he wasn't blowing out his backside does not mean he was cheating.

Watch the fight again, look at the pace of the fight, look how relaxed BJS was and watch his output. Saunders took rests, had the odd round off or dropped the pace, used his feet, jabbed, gave DL huge problems with the slightest movements, also and most importantly he paced it beautifully.

He didn't turn up ripped to pieces, with the workrate of a crazy Flyweight and punching like a prime Mike Tyson.

I'm just not seeing what you are.

 

Signs are all well and good but they are just signs, Now i am not saying anybody is dirty or clean for that matter but arguments can be made for the contrary. Fighters cut a lot of weight for fights very few fighters fight anywhere close to their walk around weight, its not unheard of for fighters to cut 15lbs of pure water weight alone 24-48 hours before a fight.

Do you really think Shane was walking around at his fighting weight at 140? Almost every 140lb fighter walk's around, and re-hydrates in the low 150's They don't need to gain any muscle to fight at 154 at all, they simply don't have to cut any weight but will obviously end up fighting naturally bigger guy's who are cutting weight to make 154.

People these days also don't seem to understand that people can build muscle naturally without peds, Do people actually realize that its completely possible to become jacked without any peds at all?, there are plenty of people who are naturally jacked and don't even lift weights. Just because you're used to seeing a fighter at his fighting weight and hes not jacked doesn't mean he's not far muscular when hes out of camp not cutting all that weight.Cutting weight isn't always just cutting bodyfat, fighters are also cutting muscle mass below their natural non weight lifting set point.

There is also a thing called muscle memory, if a guy has ever bulked up at any time in his life, Any time he drops that muscle mass he will regain it RAPIDLY when he starts eating and training again. Muscle memory will add mass on to you literally as quickly as steroids will.

Lastly everybody seems to think that everybody is born with equal genetics these days too, which is just silly you can put two people on the exact same training program and diet and one will gain muscle far quicker than the other will. Stamina can also improve from not having to cut so much weight and also from cutting weight incorrectly/too fast/poor diet before.

 

Nowadays if a fighter starts winning or gets in top physical shape he is juiced up? Not a good thread man.. If there is no proof then there is no need to mention PED use... Period... So then I guess some fighters really are stupid and bad.. IE: Canelo looked jacked like a mofo vs GGG and was in the best shape Ive ever seen him in.. Still did not manage to get the win.. Marquez lost to Bradley nad even in the Manny KO fight he was on the verge of getting KTFO before that counter punch saved him from impending doom cause he was ready to go.. So those fighters must be real losers lol! all the PED for nothing lol.. It would destroy my ego forever.. Im not denying there could be supicions but fighters can also get jacked and build muscle mainly when they'll need to be strong for a fight and they cant only rely on speed and their legs are not their strong suit.

 

Except Shane Mosley was caught red handed when the Feds raided BALCO and turned state's. He was on multiple cocktails for a long ass time.

And its not possible to become completely jacked especially in a short amount of time. The clean human body just does produce the chemicals needed to promote and maintain that sort of growth.

 

Jesus this will show you how scared of slick gypsy's Americans are, they don't even want them to turn up in shape lol.

Bjs used to not train properly at all, he gets his act together and actually trains and people say roids. He coasted to a world title on natural talent with a bad work ethic.

Whats texted? Will gypsy's only be allowed to fight drunk next?

 

I agree his win was zero to do with roids but let’s not pretend he’s clean when the entire sports at it.

 

Look at Pac in his second fight with El Terrible. With his lat muscles he looked like he could almost fly. Just sayin'