Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali were both showboaters. Which of them was the better fighter?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali were both showboaters. They were both fast and got knocked down occasionally. Were they equal in boxing skills?
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  2. SheenLantern

    SheenLantern Active Member Full Member

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    Ali is the GOAT and Ray is a close second.
     
  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess showboating is a word you can use, but I’d say it takes some big minerals to stand in front of Joe Frazier or Roberto Duran and do a shuffle or wind up a bolo punch — as compared to, say, Greg Page showing up a shopworn Scott LeDoux who couldn’t do anything about it.

    As for comparison, Ali is The Greatest. Ray was great.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    P4P no question Ray .. a much better puncher .. Ali had a better chin ..
     
  5. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" Full Member

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    its really close. Ray essentially did against hearns in first fight what Ali couldn't do in fotc and ko his opponent to not lose a decision. But on other hand Ali ko foreman whereas ray won a controversial split decision against hagler in a comparable career moment.

    But based on how good Ali was in his prime and how years of that prime was taken from him but he still accumulated a resume comparable to SRL I would say Ali was greater. Plus ray has said he imitated Ali so he owes part of his greatness to Ali.
     
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  6. Indefatigable

    Indefatigable Active Member banned Full Member

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    Ali pfp was far greater.
     
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  7. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali by long, long way.

    Duran turned him into a showboater first and a fighter second. Duran took a piece of Leonard's soul.
     
  8. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd say Leonard. More complete. Fought and beat better competition, pound for pound.
     
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  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I’m a 100 percent Duran fan but facts is facts: if anything, Ray took Duran’s soul in the second fight.

    Made the macho warrior quit. Like a dog.

    Duran pouted because Ray showboated? Did anyone watch the first fight, when Duran was clowning Ray in the late rounds?

    You wanna play, get in the sandbox. And when it came to a rematch, Roberto climbed out of the sandbox and into the litter box.
     
  10. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If anyone got a piece of their soul taken it was Duran in the second fight
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I honestly don’t know. Their legacies have very different strengths.
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It's a tough question and it's close.
    Think I'll pop for Ali.
     
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  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Two crazy statements. P4P?
     
  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    How did he make him quit? He certainly wasn't hitting him with much of anything. Maybe Ray running around the ring and showboating was all it took. Ray Leonard didn't exactly come to fight himself.

    That fight was in 1980. In the 41 years since is still what it is. Leonard is very popular here in America. The bully angle or Ray have mental power to make another quit it never made sense
    Duran quit the fight because he didn't prepare himself to fight especially at the elite level. Duran was foolish. Duran did that to himself.
     
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  15. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Leonard was a better technical boxer, inside fighter & body puncher - but Ali was still the better fighter overall.
     
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