Sugar Ray Leonard: best P4P since Robinson, best welterweight ever, or neither??

Too hard to swallow your pride I suppose. This hasn't been a very good day for you has it?

 

Hey John, I'm taunting you! What are you going to do about it?

 

MIA: Selfkill, John Thomas.


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Couple of self delusional leonard fans kicking the bucket- courtesy of yours truly.

 

Only winners get bragging rights.

 

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Only winners get bragging rights: Redrooster/Terry Norris


losers get the mourner's bench

 

Thanks Holmes',...hope you have been following. What did you think of the job I did last night on JT & Selfkill? I think it's been a rather humbling experience for both. Neither feels like saying much.

 

Evidence?

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Well Leonard said that did he? What did Hagler say of Leonard pre their 1987 fight then? How about we take a little bo peep, just to put you 100% out of your misery

Game, set & match

New balls please

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You took my retort a bit personally. If I crossed a line, I apologize. I'm no Rooster.

That post wasn't directed at you so much as at apologists in general who fail to promote a position. For the record, I have watched Leoanrd-Hagler about 35 times and appreciate Ray's performance more and more every time. It was genious, even though I still have him down by 1 or 2 points. At times his apologists irk me and so I get more adamant than normal.

First off, I don't believe that I have access to the divine when framing arguments. I do, however, know that I don't defend a position or assault someone's else's position unless I have pretty strong arguments. At times, they are stronger than others, but apologists who throw out careless arguments should be called on that carelessness. Selfkill is alright by me, but he was guilty of that. He wrote "end of story"... so that comment about marijuana was more towards his position, not yours.

The last line of the post about your making a liar out of me wasn't meant to be offensive. I found it humorous because I didn't want to get revved up and said so, but ended up revved up anyway.

You already know I reserve the right to jump on any argument I see as faulty. You may call that arrogance -I call it fun. And I can be expected to have the same treatment returned unto me.

I see it as quality control.

 

Robbi, you're a fair man. Again, though, we have a bit of a cultural disconnect here. When I said "you made a liar out of me" -it was self-deprecating humor because it was really my own doing. I said I don't want to be redundant but then when ahead and presented my old arguments anyway.

I remember when I first got on here, someone called me a "c*nt" and I was ready to take a plane to Britain and stab them in the heart. Where I come from, "them is fightin' woids", you may as well call my mother a crack *****.... but across the pond, calling someone that is relatively affectionate! I forgot who it was but they got me hip to the difference!

 

I never knew if you were joking on here or not. It doesn't bother me either. And one thing about me on a boxing forum, I don't get reved up and can handle people very well indeed. Once with Manassa which went totally off the subject from both of us over a few pages, apart from that my track record is faultless. I've been on boxing forums for 8 years and never been banned once. Stonehands, I never took the part about "making you out a liar" offensive "Don't you worry I'm not making a liar out of you. Who said that? I did disagree with you however" IMO I would hardly call my response as taking you offensively. It's polite if anything.

Cheers for the response and responding with a positive vibe and getting your thoughts across.

"I reserve the right to jump on any argument I see as faulty" 100% agreed, but mind yours aint always working correctly. Sometimes others might see yours as faulty. I see them as fair and not wide of the mark most of the time. Opinions and views, facts and fiction. All a rather crazy world we live in.

 

"You already know I reserve the right to jump on any argument I see as faulty. You may call that arrogance -I call it fun. And I can be expected to have the same treatment returned unto me." -You may have overlooked that bold print.

I'm only aware that my arguments are faulty if someone brings it to my attention, and those who do are the ones I enjoy the most. This forum would be simply an information exchange without the debates.

 

Anyway. Keep up the good work. I do enjoy not just debating, but also agreeing on the same points and expanding them somewhat in return. You have always been in tune with myself on many points in the past. I did enjoy our Whitaker v Duran debate a few months ago. A few pages worth for good measure as well.