Sugar Ray Leonard. Best scalps?

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  1. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many fighters have defeated great fighters, but often enough these greats are too far past it for the win to be considered a 'great win'

    These are Leonard's top 5:

    1) Hagler
    2) Hearns
    3) Duran
    4) Benitez
    5) Kalule


    Who could possibly top this? Or who comes close? Who's is comparable? Or who's top 5 is worthy of mention in this thread?
     
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  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on how you define it. If weight climbing is taken into account I'd certainly say Pac is up there. Robinson: Gavilan, LaMotta, Basilio, Zivic and Armstrong.

    There are probably others once you get in to it. Leonard's top five is certainly up there, but it's not without competition.
     
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  3. Lights Out

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    Muhammad Ali-

    1. Joe Frazier
    2. George Foreman
    3. Sonny Liston
    4. Ken Norton
    5. Jerry Quarry (Dunno Im really struggling here someone could fill in 5 better than me)

    While Leonards top 5 are brilliant Ali has a great shout here in beating him IMO. 3 wins over top 10 heavweights and guys I would personally would consider more dangerous than them with the exception of Hearns in pure punching power (even thats pretty even). Good question though- the fact that I came ought with one of 'the greatest' shows just how good them wins are.
     
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  4. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think any of those guys match Leonard's. Who would you say are Robinson's?
     
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  5. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali came to mind but i didn't want to list anyone elses. Amazing top 5 but i dont think it is on the same level. How convincing the victories probably goes to Ali, but Leonard's five are the greater fighters. 3 of them without a doubt.
     
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  6. bodhi

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    Ken Norton and Jerry Quarry better than Floyd Patterson? Are you kidding me?


    Barney Ross:
    1. Tony Canzoneri (2 times)
    2. Jimmy McLarnin (2 times)
    3. Ceferino Garcia (3 times)
    4. Frankie Klick (2 times)
    5. Billy Petrolle (2 times)

    Tony Canzoneri:
    1. Jimmy McLarnin (1 time)
    2. Kid Chocolate (2 times)
    3. Lou Ambers (1 time)
    4. Jack "Kid" Berg (2 times)
    5. Bud Taylor (1time)

    Jimmy McLarnin:
    1. Barney Ross (1 time)
    2. Tony Canzoneri (1 time)
    3. Lou Ambers (1 time)
    4. Young Corbett III (1 time)
    5. Bud Taylor (1 time)
    I didn´t include Fidel LaBarba because he was too green and Benny Leonard because he was done.

    Lou Ambers:
    1. Henry Armstrong (1 time)
    2. Tony Canzoneri (2 times)
    3. Cocoa Kid (1 time)
    4. Fritzie Zivic (1 time)
    5. Al "Bummy" Davis (1 time)
     
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  7. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yo Christian Ziege, thanks for posting. What is your thought on these top 5's you've posted? On level with Leonard's, or just worth mentioning?
     
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  8. bodhi

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    Leonard´s Top5 are astonishing and mong the best ever (I´d have a different order), sadly he wasn´t able to assemble a deep record. Awesome fighter, love the first fight with Hearns, Benitez and even his losing effort against Duran.

    Certainly worth mentioning. I think all could be discussed. McLarnin has the best case for rivaling Leonard´s. But in the end I like Leonard´s slightly more. P4p-wise I still rank 3 of them higher than Leonard, more depth.
     
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  9. tommygun711

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    Muhammad Ali
    #1. George Foreman
    #2. Joe Frazier
    #3. Sonny Liston
    #4. Floyd Patterson
    #5. Ken Norton
     
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  10. Bokaj

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    Gavilan, LaMotta, Basilio, Zivic and Armstrong probably.
     
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    Sam Langford:

    Harry Wills
    Joe Gans
    Tiger Flowers
    Stanley Ketchel
    Jack Blackburn


    Shits all over Leonard, and you could possibly, maybe, pick another five names that are in that same ballpark. Additionally, he was basically a blind man when he beat Flowers, so it puts Leonard's "inactive" win over Hagler in its place.

    But yeah, I think of the modern ones, Leonard is absolutely amongst the very best.
     
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  12. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Awesome top 4, but the quality drops off a lot after that. No disrespect to Kalule, a very decent boxer, but after him we'd have wins over Donnie Lalonde, Davey Boy Green and a washed up Mando Ramos.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    I really like the Davey Boy Green fight. I have a really cool photograph of the KO somewhere.
     
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  15. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons top 5 takes some beating

    Corbett
    Dempsey
    Choynski
    Gardner
    Sharkey


    And so far as name fighters go, Jack Johnson has an impressive list, although fails a little on the prime and weight tests:

    1. Jeffries
    2. Langford
    3. McVey
    4. Jeanette
    5. Ketchell
     
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