Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

You haven’t in any way been objective.

“Mayweather wins on points as per usual” is just a nothing statement.


Of course Ray would have taken away his usual advantages.

Yes, Floyd was just as fast as Ray. Which means that he WOULDN’T have enjoyed his usual speed advantage.

Floyd wasn’t more skilled OFFENSIVELY.


Yes, he fought Manny. But Manny was NOT as equally as fast and as skilled.

 

Because it’s not just about hitting hard. It’s the whole package. A fellow ATG who matched him for skills and speed, PLUS who also had the firepower.

It would be like saying that Hearns couldn’t have knocked out Floyd, as Floyd was never knocked out by anybody who hit hard.

Floyd simply didn’t fight guys of their calibre.

He never fought a prime ATG.

He never saw anybody like Ray and the Fab Four.

 

I don't think most true fight fans hate on Mayweather.
Most appreciate his accomplishments. I've said on many
occasions he's one of the greatest fighters in history.
But at the lighter weights.
At welter and above is where most Knowledgeable fight disagree
with his fight history.
His accomplishments at welter by some is much exaggerated.
Especially when his opponents are scrutinized by where they
were in their careers at the time he faced them.

 

well I wont have a word or am I ever proof wrong by vid proved your not exposing me but yourself

 

That's weird because Floyd wanted 150 or no fight. Somehow he agreed to 152 with no rehydration clause.

 

what do you want cause I gave you 2 separate boxers 1 had power the other speed your moving what you asked for which doesnt work for me I gave you proof how about a young canelo who hit hard to and was good then

why do you like lying to yourself you keep saying floyd didnt fight you have a handful of mutiple people less skilled then who floyd fought which means your using the classic stuck on names quote which doesnt work with me

cause it sounds idiotic oh not fighting a legend means cant beat somebody

didnt jim beat George jim wasnt a big name was he no

didnt oscar drop joe early another man who wasnt a big name which means people who have a lesser of a name can win of of skill or style so your idiotic saying of didnt beat a legend means nothing so why are you using it

most know here quotes dont work with me yet your trying thinking your different

 

You get exposed on all of these types of threads.

If anyone criticises Floyd or simply states that he couldn’t do something, they get branded as a hater.

You also debate on statistics instead of looking hypothetically at how they’d have matched up stylistically.

You aren’t in any way objective.

You simply need to accept that although Floyd was great, that other great fighters would have been able to have beaten him based on styles.

 

like I said im never exposed with vid proof so your lying to yourself

find these legends and ask them what they said cause its fact

magoo I showed him and brokedown how razor moved better then joe ever showed he said how he lost which had nothing to do with the vid

ask 70s when I asked him to show me mutiple times to show me max using good upperbody movement I got nothing

ask legend etm yesterday when I showed him proof of ali being more advanced and polished then ray and all he had to say was it wasnt a counter he never said it wasnt fact on vid

ask magoo what happened when I showed proof of liston moving like trash compared to razor I gave breakdown and he said but I think he moved good which thoughts doesnt work with me I go off vid proof

so no im not hardly exposed like I said so you lied your thinking of someone else

 

You’re not doing your argument any favours are you.

Floyd initially wanted a fellow JMW champ to weigh 150.

Ha!

Should Canelo have been happy that Floyd granted him the extra pounds?

After knowing of Floyd’s character and of his antics, can you not understand how ridiculous it is to state that he would have fought Marvin Hagler at MW?

 

Please type this out again.

I can’t understand what you’re trying to say to me.

 

Video proof of what?

 

I wont your problem

 

His antics depended on the purse. If Marvin brought Canelo money, that could’ve happened. And Canelo weighed more than Marvin.

 

What were you trying to tell me?


It’s as simple as this:

Floyd was great, but Ray would have to be favoured over him in a H2H fight.


1. Ray was more proven against great fighters.

2. Ray could match Floyd for speed and skills, and he was better offensively.

3. Ray had 2 roads to victory due to his firepower, whereas Floyd could only have won 1 way.

 

That’s simply not true isn’t it.

His zero and his reputation was more important to him than the money.

He almost left millions on the table by refusing to fight Manny earlier.

No amount of money would have put him in the ring with Marvin Hagler. Because Hagler was just a terrible stylistic match up for him. He would never have put himself in that position.


“We don’t fight to see who’s the best”

“It wasn’t the right time to fight Manny back then, but now it is”


It doesn’t matter if Canelo weighed more than Marvin.

I keep telling you that’s silly logic to use.


Canelo weighing more didn’t affect Floyd, because Canelo didn’t use his weight and his strength. He was static and stood off of him. It wasn’t in any way an advantage to him. He didn’t press Floyd like Oscar and Maidana did. So it wouldn’t have mattered if he’d have had 30 pounds on Floyd. Floyd beat him to the punch with his speed.

Canelo being heavier than Marvin doesn’t mean that Floyd would have fought Marvin Hagler. It cannot be used as evidence.

Again, it would be like trying to claim that Floyd would have fought a young Roy Jones, based on the fact that he fought Canelo, who weighed at or above what Jones did.

It’s nonsense.