Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

I have my OWN ranking; no need to rely on someone else unless you're brain dead

I also have Ray Leonard ranked well ahead of Floyd at 147but even so, at 147, based on the Norris fight (Terry Norris was made in the image of Floyd) I would choose Floyd h2h

 

Ray is better finisher but based on the Norris fight (note that Norris was made in the very image of Floyd) Floyd is too slick, too quick, and would make Ray Leonard sick

 

and it is in the interest of intellectual honesty for you to withdraw THIS statement; "Hagler retired because the thrill was gone"

Whatever Leonard does, Floyd does better

 

more evidence that Hagler was shot

He was about the ONLY fighter who couldnt put Leonard on the deck

It is a good thing he put the Hagler fight on hold five years

"Whatever Ray Leonard did, Floyd Mayweather did better" - the general consensus of boxing experts

 

The old threads are there for everyone to see. We can see where you’d typed the exact same things 7 years ago, just trolling and acting like a fool.

The only thing that I want is an honest debate. Like I said yesterday, I have a sense of humour. But when it’s been going on for a decade, under 2 different accounts, then it’s just not funny anymore.


Everybody knows what your game is:

Marvin was shot in 87, yet Ray wasn’t against Macho at 40, after a 6 year lay off.

We can’t count Benitez because to you he was nothing.

Floyd would have beaten Ray because Ray was beaten, whereas Floyd wasn’t.

Floyd would have won because he had more fights etc.


If you could be serious, we could debate. But you can’t. You just hijack every Leonard thread, stating that Floyd would always have beaten him, because Norris did. You are obsessed with Terry Norris.

Yet you know that Ray was faded for Norris, you know that the versions of Leonard put forward here and on other threads, are younger, fresher versions of him, AND that Floyd didn’t even fight like Norris.

It would be as dumb as stating that Carl Froch would have beaten a prime Roy Jones, based on the fact that he beat Glen Johnson who’d knocked Roy out.


You claim that Floyd could do everything that Leonard could do.

No. That’s simply not true.

Floyd wasn’t as good OFFENSIVELY at the HIGHER weights. He didn’t throw Leonard’s combinations. He didn’t have Leonard’s punch repertoire. He didn’t have Leonard’s firepower. He couldn’t and didn’t fight. He was a safety first boxer with hand issues.


Comparing stats without context means nothing. Nobody is certain that Marciano would have beaten Ali, on the grounds that Rocky was undefeated whereas Ali lost 5 times.

You hijack every thread, yet have NEVER offered any breakdowns of what you think would have happened. All you do is throw around blanket statements and stats.

The ONLY thing relevant to focus upon, is their attributes and characteristics, AND how they’d have matched up stylistically. That is all.

Floyd looked like a genius against Canelo, yet barely beat Maidana just 8 months later.

He easily beat Hatton in 2007, yet had a struggle with Oscar the same year.

Your Boxrec stats aren’t relevant.

Only the styles are relevant.


Ray would always have been a favourite over Floyd, as he could match him for size, skills and speed, plus the fact that he had more firepower, heart, confidence and huge fight experience against fellow prime ATG’s.


You talk about who Ray fought and when etc, but do you really want to go there with Floyd? Really?

A guy who wouldn’t fight a young fellow JMW champ without a C-W?

A guy who deliberately cheated JMM on the scales?

A guy who wouldn’t fight a prime Manny, insisting that he was on PEDS, before he took an illegal IV himself which the NSAC had no knowledge of until 3 weeks AFTER the fight?

You don’t want to go there.

Floyd didn’t even possess the confidence needed to have beaten Ray Leonard.


Now this is your last chance with me.

Either give me something proper to debate such as a stylistic breakdown etc, or don’t bother replying back to me.

 

stop trying to blame Leonard's losses on age. Everybody KNOWS what your game is!

and you need to REPENT!!!

He was doing swimmingly against those with lalondish abilities until he met with fighters made in the image of Floyd

Even a fighter named Quincy Taylor managed to knock Ray Leonard out and that was a SPARRiNG SESSSION!

again note his success rate vs old, sluggish, passive fighters vs fast, aggressive young, hungry fighters; he get's stopped or defeated EVERY TIME!

even as selective as he was, he barely made it out with a 36 - 3 - 1 record. He couldnt even carry Floyd's jock strap!

"Whatever Ray Leonard did, Floyd Mayweather did better" - the general consensus of boxing experts

 

Outpointing?

This is looking like the Ray Mercer-Tommy Morrison stoppage.

 

We already know the stats, Einstein.

Yet you still can’t tell us how Floyd would have beaten Ray in an actual fight.

 

Let us again address this nonsense.

This is the kind of statement which No Neck makes without giving it even a seconds thought.

Let me smarten you up a bit.


Once again:

At the higher weights, Floyd did not possess Ray’s offence.


Floyd was a chess master.

He DID NOT FIGHT up at the higher weights.


Floyd COULD NOT FIGHT like Ray could when he needed to.

Floyd did NOT POSSESS Ray’s firepower.

Floyd DID NOT throw Ray’s combinations.

Floyd DID NOT use Ray’s variation of punches.

Floyd was NOT AGGRESSIVE.


He was a safety first fighter with hand issues.


Your dumb statement as just been destroyed.


No breakdown, just a NOTHING statement.

 

You won’t allow us to look at Ray’s entire body of work, because we’re NOT ALLOWED to discuss the Benitez fight.

We’re not allowed to discuss the fight, because according to you, Benitez was NOTHING.

What a coincidence that Benitez just happened to have possessed some of the attributes that Floyd had.

Log off you donut.

 

Go and FIND JUST ONE credible person who believes that Floyd could match Ray’s offence at the higher weights.

 

Ray was certainly a diva. But he still took the kind of fights that Floyd would never have taken.