Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Worthy of pinning!!!
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He entered the ring near 170, which is more than Hagler weighed in the ring.
     
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  3. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We don't know what Canelo weighed when the fight began because there is no official record. If you have an official record of his weight at the time of the fight you can cite it. We do know what he weighed at the official weigh in and that weight was 152 pounds. All this just proves my point that Floyd couldn't come up to 160 pounds to fight Marvin Hagler at 160 pounds. Floyd demanded a catch weight of 152 pounds. Sugar Ray Leonard came up to 160 pounds to fight Marvin Hagler at his natural weight and this was after three years of relative inactivity and surgery to repare a detached retina.
     
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  4. NoNeck

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    All this proves is that you’re going to great lengths to pretend that Canelo’s in ring weight was not more Hagler’s. Those who know these two are aware that is a false narrative.
     
  5. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Precisely. With his demand for a catch weight of 152 pounds Floyd ensured Canelo had to shrink to that weight for the weigh in and then get back to his natural weight in 24 hours. This is hard on the body and weakens the fighter. Sugar Ray Leonard came up in weight, after surgery on his retina and three years of relative activity, to face and beat Marvelous Marvin Hagler at his natural weight. He didn't demand Marvin shrink to beat him.
     
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  6. NoNeck

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    The funny part is that Canelo did not have a rehydration clause. This shows that there was compromise between the two sides.

    36 year old Mayweather’s performance against Canelo while giving up 15-20 pounds was superior to Leonard’s shoe shine act against a faded Hagler, who probably deserved to leave w his title.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    So you’re going to discount his height, reach, strength and power?


    So your logic is:

    Floyd would have fought and beaten Marvin, because he beat Canelo who weighed more than Marvin?


    Brilliant.

    What a pleasure it is to have you here.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody cares.

    It’s completely irrelevant.

    By your logic, Floyd would have moved up and fought and beaten a young Roy Jones, based on the fact that he beat Canelo who may have been heavier.

    It’s ridiculous.

    Why don’t you engage your brain and look at this from a different perspective:

    Why would a guy who wouldn’t fight a prime version of Manny, or Canelo at 154, have fought Marvin Hagler at JMW-MW?

    It’s not a head scratcher is it?

    We don’t have to sit down and think deeply about this.

    Floyd wasn’t willing to face lesser fighters and their weights.

    He didn’t possess the characteristics or the attributes needed to have even considered fighting Marvin Hagler.

    Have a word with yourself.

    Guys who won’t let fellow champs weigh-in at the limit, would not then suddenly fight ATG’s at an even higher weight.
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another clueless post.

    Floyd would not let a fellow JMW champ weigh-in at the limit. Yet he was happy to fight Cotto and Oscar there. We know why he demanded the C-W. It was obviously in the hope of draining him. If Floyd was as great as you think he was, he wouldn’t have needed the C-W on a fellow JMW champ. Canelo wasn’t prepared to fight a guy of Floyd’s calibre at that point. He’d barely beaten anybody.

    The only credit Floyd gets is that he was still in incredible shape at 36 years of age.

    Ray coming off of a 3 year lay off to beat Marvin was much more impressive.

    Ray was also faded like Marvin was.
     
  10. moneytheman12

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    facts like always
     
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  11. moneytheman12

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    he can't legend he is not doing a good job proving us wrong
     
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  12. ThatOne

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    Rehydration clause. No boxer is weighed immediately before entering the ring and even if he was the dramatic weight loss and gain in twenty four hours weakens anybody, especially an athlete. Put on eighteen pounds in the next twenty four hours and let the board know how you feel. We will never know if Maywearher could have beat Canelo if he didn't demand Canelo shrink himself down to 152 pounds. We do know that Sugar Ray Leonard after suffering a detached retina and being largely inactive for three years came back and beat Marvelous Marvin Hagler at his natural weight. I'll give Floyd some credit . He didn't demand Canelo shrink to lightweight.
     
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  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly while Marvin was getting older so was Ray.
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    Leonard’s retinal detachment was in 82 and he fought Hagler in 87. You’ll need to find a new excuse, sir.

    And, make no mistake, Canelo is the king of rehydration.
     
  15. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How many times did Leonard fight after the detached retina and his fight with Matvin? Let's put the detached retina aside for the sake of discussion. Two questions. Did or did not Floyd demand Canelo shrink himself down to 152 pounds for their catchweight fight? And did or did not Sugar Ray Leonard fight Marvin Hagler at his natural weight?
     
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