Sugar Ray Leonard On April 6 1987

Leonard was really good on that night. Even though Hagler was past his best,so was Leonard so that victory was an great achievement.

 

What did the MW division look like at this time? Who of note remained in the top 10 that Hagler had not defeated?

 

Why is booze such a big thing to you duck's minge? Did your parents used to get drunk and beat the sh it out of you or something like that?

Is it that you don't have enough money to be able to imbibe yourself?

How about the irrefutable fact that given a choice between your miserable life, and alcohol billions of people would choose the booze?

Perhaps it is because world wide the annual spending on booze comes to trillions of GBP's ( never mind dollars ) that upsets you.

Which one of these makes you so obsessed with drink duck's minge?

 

It was a younger and more athletic division by 86-87. Most of the guys Hagler had beaten were retired or has-beens at that point. Top 10 had a few up and coming fighters including Nunn, Graham, Barkley, Olajide, and Frank Tate, and Hagler hadn't fought any of them.

 

Thanks! Interesting names there. Leonard-Hagler had a certain magical quality, but Hagler and Barkley would have been lots of fun.

Does this Leonard beat those contenders on that night?

 

It was a good solid win. Especially given that he was moving up in class, coming out of retirement, and a heavy underdog facing what was still the consensus best middleweight in the world. As mentioned, both men were well removed from their primes.. Years even perhaps. But that doesn't change the magnitude of the event.. Hagler still would have been largely favored to beat any other middleweight around even in 1987.

 

Yep. That's why I have it close to an incredible win. I have a hard time thinking one that is clearly better. Perhaps Duran-Barkley or some of Pac's blowouts of bigger men, but there are few and far between.

 

Even bigger upset/better win than Duran-Barkley and I don't see how the Pacquiao ones even compare, considering that he was the favorite in all of them except for the bout against weight-drained Oscar.

 

So, to clarify, you give Leonard no credit for anything? Not a single performance? It was all down to Leonard and Mike Trainer's resourcefulness at the negotiating table?

 

It's a good win but it was to a large extent aided by Hagler himself. But excuses aside it was probably one of SRL's best wins. Too bad there wasn't a rematch. Can't really understand why there wasn't, the money would have been huge.

 

I think the correct answer lies somewhere in the middle of these two extremes. I also think Mayweather mirrored SRL in a lot of ways especially as it relates to deciding who to fight and when and under what conditions.

 

Duran clearly beat SRL when they both were great. Second fight had to be a fix. No way Duran quits mid fight when it was practically still up for grabs. Hagler sold his soul for cash. I don't doubt that **** was a fix too. Hagler took it easy and seemed to miss on purpose at times. SRL was a great fighter. Not saying he wasnt. He was one of the most skilled ever.

 

Pac only became a favorite against the others after pummeling Oscar against all odds, but fair enough - Leonard's win belongs up there with very best of them.

I like Duran's win over Barkley since Duran was so much older and smaller, but the Hagler of 1987 would have chopped Barkley down.

 

It is plain silly to only call it only "a good win".

Actually, for my money Hagler didn't do much wrong, he just met a more skilled and clever boxer. He had slowed down, yes, but the fact is that he lacked a dimension compared to Leonard. If he didn't, he would have cut Ray down in the second half when Leonard's legs were gone and he was there for the taking.

 

Well a rematch would have answered this a lot more decisively don't you agree? It really was ridiculous that there wasn't a rematch and most people who watched the fight have commented on Hagler's poor strategy. But like I said at the end of the day, it's one of SRL's best wins.