Sugar Ray Leonard On April 6 1987

I agree, they were both faded.

 

you remind me of Mike Tyson :good

 

Ray was a great fighter and the initial Hearns fight a great one but I've heard arguments that, at the time, at WW, Hearns hadn't reached his WW peak at that point; certainly something to consider. Their subsequent bouts bear out the closeness of their talent within that 147-160 weight range.
As to Hagler, I agree with most posters; Ray waited as long as he could to fight a fading Marvin.
How many posters remember 18 months prior to their fight, when it looked like they were ready to fight, when Leonard didn't even show up at a press conference with Marvin to hype what was supposed to be an impending bout? Yeah, milk it Ray, milk it until all the cards are stacked in your favor. :twisted:

 

Faired poorly? If faired poorly means beating the reigning WW Champion of the world convincingly? Then yeah, he faired poorly.

 

Huh?

 

This:good.

 

If Duran is to ge believed, that psychological advantaged was enhanced after his loss when he told SRL after the fight that if he boxed him he would beat him.

 

Go on then, name a fighter who took his own personal lawyer along to negotiate prior to Leonard.

Leonard's " best " wins.

Benitez. Already on the coke by the time he fought Leonard.

Duran. Had already beaten Leonard, but his fanboys only want to make feeble excuses for the loss, or focus on the rematch.

Hearns. Tommy was undoubtedly weight drained for their first encounter, but funnily enough Leonard's fanboys " don't " want to focus on their rematch because even the genuine Ray Charles could see Leonard was gifted the draw. Lets not even bother with the weight stips, for that and the Lalonde debacle, because I'm sure even the most rabid Leonard fanboys don't seriously expect him to be given credit for that kind of sh it.

Hagler. As stated Hagler was well past his best, but this was another fight that is still highly debatable today, as far as the scoring goes. Did judge Guerra ALWAYS score rounds to flashy arm punchers, like he scored for Leonard in that fight?

So if you want to give Leonard untold credit for those performances, feel free, plenty of us don't.

 

You remind me of those cretins who preach about the " demon " booze then go out and molest kids.:good:yep

 

You still haven't answered the question. You give Leonard no credit for anything he did as a boxer? None at all?

 

Leonard did not look like a great middleweight to me that night, and nor was Hagler.
I had Leonard losing by a point or two.

It was an entertaining bout and a very admirable performance from Leonard under the circumstances but not a great fight or a ATG middleweight performance at all.

 

Can you actually read?

If so give us your Leonard fanboy breakdown of his 4 so called " best " wins I already discredited. The other dross is of no importance.

Perhaps you would like me to give him credit for beating up his wife, and his drug abuse?

 

I think the general mood of the affair was that it was supposed to be a one time, once and for all affair to begin with.. And I don't think Sugar had planned on resuming a full career anyway at that point. Hagler certainly didn't..

 

Well Hagler practically begged for a rematch, and it was a close enough fight that we're still talking about the outcome even today, so a rematch would have made sense on several levels. Hagler only retired when it became crystal clear that there wasn't going to be an immediate rematch.

 

Leonard did actually offer Hagler a rematch several years later. By then Hagler had already grown tired of waiting and moved on from boxing.