Sugar Ray Leonard On April 6 1987

Yes, I'm aware of that, but at the end of the day, once again it's SRL pulling the strings. I think SRL is a great, great fighter, but this is a pet peeve I have about him. Much the same can be said about Mayweather. They both shameless have used their economic clout to assist in establishing their legacies.

 

Leonard was nearly prime.
Hagler was faded.
But it was only a small part of z story, wiz Hagler conceiving Ring size, gloves size, fight duration , judges and I suppose that even more things all in favor of Leonard.
Zis is z real story behind zis fight.
Hagler wanted a pension and Leonard gave it 2 him in exchange 4 hiz belt.

 

Didn't Leonard (or both of them) announce that they were going to each retire after the fight months in advance?

 

Leonard said it, but he didn't do it.

He fought Donny Lalonde next and for Lalonde to get the $$$ he wanted he had to put his 175lb belt on the line and fight Leonard at 168, for both titles.

I know of fighters who have gone up in weight and done well, but I can't think of any that went down in weight and did well. Look what happened when RJJ tried going back down to 175lb.

 

The scorecards from the ringside press attest to the closeness of the fight (6–5, 3 drawn) more pundits awarded the fight to Leonard rather than to Hagler, although counting those who scored it even, more felt Hagler deserved to keep his title than didn't:

Associated Press: 117–112 Hagler
New York Daily News: 117–111 Leonard
New York Times: 114–114
New York Post: 114–114
Newsday: 115–114 Hagler
Chicago Sun-Times: 115–114 Hagler
Chicago Tribune: 7–5 Hagler
Houston Chronicle: 115–114 Leonard
Washington Post: 114–114
Boston Globe: 117–111 Leonard
Boston Herald 116–113 Leonard
Baltimore Sun: 7–5 Leonard
Oakland Tribune: 117–112 Leonard
San Jose Mercury-News: 116–115 Hagler

 

Could've sworn that he retired (for the third time) and didn't fight again for over a year and a half. Not sure whether he would have even come out of retirement then if not for that 168/175 double-title fiasco.

 

How did you score it? (just curious)

 

115-114 Leonard.

But I don't really believe in absolutes when fights are this close because there's a fair amount of subjectivity involved. In other words, I wouldn't argue with a draw, or a close Hagler win.

Had it been a 15 round fight I think the official scoring outcome would have been similar to Hagler - Duran.

But I wouldn't mind watching it again, it's been about 20 years since I've seen this fight.

 

Well he did finally offer Hagler a rematch in 1990, but Hagler had already retired and went on to be an actor in Italy.

 

It's all the BS that stops me appreciating Leonard's unarguable talent. Stacking the cards in his favour at the negotiating table, catchweights, lack of rematches of his big wins, more retirements than Frank Sinatra...

 

How was Ray nearly prime?

 

We need to distinguish between Leonard 76 -82 and the leonard of 87-91.

The latter was smoke and glass .
So no the 1987 version wasnt an atg. Yes he was still quick of hand and foot, yes he had flash.but it was showboating.u cant say he had a great jab.he showed little power.hagler its clear bought into the showboating early and tried to be flash himself.u can see it in the fact both barely had a scratch on their faces at the end.hagler was shot .slower than ever.both were probably not as good as the 1987 mws hearns and kalambay who would have outboxed both srl and this hagler.

 

Are you that bloke out of allo allo?
Or i should say is zat zou out of zat tv show.zis is an order i want z real story .heil fuhrer

 

For just the once in your life stop being such a pedant.

You're adulation of Jones Jr is proof positive enough of you're blinkered outlook toward the guy who he leeched off.

However, there surely must be a limit to the amount of sycophancy anyone can show to the manipulative Leonard?

 

How's things?

Yeah, we all know about Ray's ego. But I haven't commented on that.

Frank says that Ray was nearly in his prime against Marvin, which we both know is nonsense. Neither of them were near their prime.


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