Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

Norris had a china chin.

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Goes without saying that the Leonard of '81 was leagues better than the Leonard of '91 and it took a top-ten ATG to beat him back then. Even the Leonard who lost to Duran beats the best version of Norris (whatever that was).

Despite some big names, some genuinely good wins and clearly apparent flare, Norris generally lacked composure and was someone, who essentially beat on bygone stars and the modest challengers in the division at the time.

Leonard, at his peak, operated at a different level.


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Well said.

 

belief?

I just proved it to you using the numbers

what hasnt been proven is your side of the story

has Leonard ever beat a Micheal Nunn?

A Terry Norris?

No.

He avoided Nunn for the same reason he was trounced by Norris; he couldnt handle the faster fighters

Now would you please explain to me how you arrived at Leonard who, took 11 long unimpressive rounds, to suddenly destroy Norris in the nick of time?

How does one extrapolate from one mediocre performance and make him the destroyer he never was or could be?

 

again with the mythical PRIME Leonard, the only words this parrot knows

goes without saying huh?

or maybe the truth of the matter is, you aren't able to prove it

The result of Norris - srl is a constant

Ray Leonard even in his peak high performance vs Hearns, was nothing more than an average stalker at best

Even Gil Clancy Angelo Dundee agrees with me (you're blowing it kid!)

That's the good thing about opinions recorded before hand; you cant go back and change them later

Floyd & Terry Norris were better by miles

Which is why we had ourselves a 120-106 fight

 

and yet, Leonard couldnt dent it

you see, this iswhat I'm talking about!

Posters such as yourself post nonsense that has never been proven

while reality which you dont seem able to accept tells the real story

Ray couldnt deck Norris

Ray couldnt HURT Norris

Ray couldnt match Terry's speed

Ray couldnt match terry's intelligence

On the other hand, Terry had the better chin (scored two knockdowns)

and was ahead by miles at the bout's conclusion

see, now that's FACT

and not all your fables can ever change that

It's in the record books

 

they could both be in the HOF. In fact, both are

 

then I write what, the facts?

I still cant see how anyone arrives at Leonard KO Norris

they make the claim but based on what?

An 11th round tko of Bonds?

it's based on what Steven Colbert would describe as truthiness, which is "whatever FEELS right" and is used much in sports where the fans heart rules his emotions

but has nothing to to with cold heard fact

Look how many times posters here come up with this nonsense "Ray will KO Norris because Norris has a china chin"

whereas in reality, Leonard never came close to even hurting Terry

so they result to the only trick they know, extrapolating Leonard into some mythical destroyer in his prime while ignoring the fact that it took him more than ten to dispose of some non entity named Bonds with no tools, and no skills, other than just being on the run

the same people dont even seem to realize he was behind all 3 sorecards on the Hearns fight, meaning he doesnt handle movement well

In fact, 99% of his opponents were slow, stiff, setups

If he's ever beaten a Terry Norris, I havent seen it

I never saw hims successfully handle a Micheal Nunn which means he was afraid of him and couldnt handle his style

for the same reason, he failed in his fight with Norris

He does well with the larry Bonds of this world but the results of Norris- srl is a constant

 

When you're replying to yourself and stacking repetitive arguments on top of each other, a smart man would know he's done....

 

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also remember that Saad started this topic because both he and I were discussing this same topic on another thread

when he failed to come up with the necessary proof to defend his pick (srl) he extrapolated Leonard back to the year 1981 in which he thought it reasonable that Leonard would perform better against a young Norris. so much better that he built him into a fierce aggressive puncher with smoking fists, relentlessly stalking a tiring Norris

Until I brought up two other opponents - Bonds, & Howard which, he couldnt explain those sub par performances

Obviously, based on those performances, Norris would have had a field day with all three-Leonard, Bonds, Kalule, and even Howard who really couldnt do much of anything (but had plenty of heart)

it was at this point that Saad began to doubt himself and was forced to fall back on the only thing he could; popular opinion. So he started a poll, feeling confident that he could get popular opinion on his side

still, popular opinion is not the same as having the evidence on your side like I have

It would be nice if the rest of you could come up with some facts to back up your opinion also. If this topic were a college level english paper, you'd have trouble

 

Anyone who thinks Norris would beat a prime Leonard has a personal agenda,and threw objective out the window a long time ago.If we go with that, Spinks beat prime Ali, Jersey Joe beat Prime Louis,Laing defeats prime Duran, Fuller beats prime Robinson,Tarver defeats Prime Jones,and could go on forever on fighters who stayed around too long. I've never seen a objective comment from Red where Leonard is concerned. Hasn't changed.

 

"Spinks beat prime Ali"?
I am of the opinion that we never saw prime Ali.
He sat in prison during prime.
but the ali that lost to spinks?
ugh.

 

that's not a good ****ogy

because the Ali of the Spinks fight came in lethargic and IMO lost to both Jimmy Young AND Ken Norton, and I won't mention what Shavers did to him

Also took reams of punishment in the Norton fight, his back touching the ropes often since the Foreman fight

which does not match up even remotely in the fight Leonard had prior to Norris

where Leonard's back had not touched the ropes

In fact, his legs worked beautifully throughout the entire 12 and very rarely hit cleanly

so tell me again how Leonard unloading with 8 punch combinations and using non stop movement resembles Ali of the Spinks fight

This is precisely why you fail to present your case successfully-no facts, no details; just lots of fabrication, & wishful thinking

and why Norris- srl turned out the mismatch it was

try again

 

that boy's trying to give the impression of credibility using the same familiar BS

ad hominem is his game

that, and repeating things he's learned in the echo chamber

Do what I do; ignore him and hope he goes away