Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

that's what I been saying- STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!

and Terry had the perfect style to make mincemeat of ray

re Hagler, he was more shot than JFK. Rey was never interested in meeting Hags in his prime

I saw watched rey cower when Hags challeneged rey in 82

and the fact is, rey couldnt look hag's way

the only thing rey was interested in was leftover hags (why pretend people you're not fooling anyone with the charade!)

ditto for Aaron Pryor, Micheal Nunn

rey was scared ****less of all 3

 

and wants Lalonde's two belts, one of which he never owned

a fake from start to end

 

Norris handled that fake in most righteous fashion

Norris was slick, quick, and made Ray leonard sick!

 

the Norris & Camacho bouts will forever mar his reputation as a good boxer/counterpuncher, but who couldnt handle speed

 

I bet SRR would beat them both at 154 :smoke

prime for prime of course :rasta

 

why would it take prime leonard 11 rounds just for Bonds?

just asking

 

Terry on the other hand, was not one of those stupid or immobile stiffs like Bonds, and smartly boxed N moved his way to a 120-106 route :smoke

 

Norris was koed four times in his career. SRL was stopped only once in the final bout of his career. Leonard had the far better chin.

Norris competition was **** as compared with Leonard. Even as an amateur Norris was a regional champion in the worst region for amateur boxing talent. Leonard was a national and world amateur champion. Not in any way comparable.

 

Dumbest most ignorant statement..this dude is just a Ray Leonard hater .. So peak unbeaten 32-0 hearns who went on to win titles at 4-5 divisions north of welter was stupid immobile stiff, what about the great defensive undefeated peak 38-0-1 Benetiz who also won titles north of welter - Duran 71-1 (twice beat dejesus who was only fighter to beat him before ) also Rooster Duran had 8 fights at welter including beating palimono
Then in the rematch Duran had 5 months between the June first fight and the rematch in November. Duran never had that long between matches. Look it up!! So to those that want to suggest he was rushed back into the rematch is BS. First of he had even longer this time to make a higher weight & part of being a professional is making weight!

Then we have the greatly discounted accomplishment of Ray coming out of retirement for 5 years with only 1 fight in 5 years moving up two not one but two weight classes and beating to undisputed and one big most dominant middle weight champions of all time with out any catchweight bs no special request except thumb less gloves. At the time all fights were now going 12 rounds - so save that bs. In addition there is a myth Hagler was declining ... Based off of what. He was only 32 , He had not lost a fight in 10 years, stopped every recent opponent including a 25-0 with 25 ko's Mugabi who at the time was a beast unbeaten.

So beating Benetiz , hearns , Duran Hagler all peak or very close , almost all continued to move up and win titles after .. Not one of these fighters had a Loss with in 8 years , two unbeaten, thosf who had a loss avenged the loss be beating and stopping that opponent.

Ray had 5 fights in 9 years when he faced Norris at a weight class he had not been in for 5 years or so. Was on drugs, etc . Which is entirely his fault. But his initial retirement at the time was the right thing to do as any additional damage to that eye would result in permanent blindness ( ask sugar ray seals and Aaron Pryor ) the technology at the time was not that great.

So we sll have opinions but to consider Norris faced anywhere near a peak Ray is the dumbest thing ever stated. Like Holmes faced a peak Ali ?? You can think what you want regarding had they ought if Ray was the same Ray that faced Hearns. There is some validity to the fact that Norris speed was a factor that Ray at 154 would have to address. But Norris would have to deal
With peak Ray speed power, reflexes and counters. In my opinion I see a early stoppage. Norris could be timed easily, as 9 others did before he turned 30. He bounced to a certain rhythm, and liked to through the Same counters and 3 punch combinations over and over again. The Ray that beat hearns ( remember every action round in that fight resulted in hearns being dropped, hurt or backing up,,, contrary to popular myth (rounds 3, 6, 7, 8, 13, 14) Ray was behind but they never gave him any 10-8 rounds and immediately after Dundee sougth and got a acknowledgment from the boxing commission that the scoring was flawed/ look it up!!

The Ray that lost them beat Duran, stopped Hearns is just on another level than Norris can imagine.


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Ooooh, now you've done it, Rooster will have a meltdown.

 

Don't blame Leonard that Hagler, Hearns and Duran completely dropped the ball when it came to him. Hagler especially fought a stupid fight and gave a way the first 4 rounds. Completely unacceptable from a fighter from him. He pretty much handed Leonard the win on a silver platter. Leonard just did his job.

 

Hearns didn't drop the ball how did he

32-0 -ko boxer 30 stops.. But when he faced Ray it wax ray that when they exchanged hurt him vs the other way around.

Duran - Leonard blew it, by electing to go toe to toe the first fight - when he decided to box it was a different story, in fact the 3 rounds in the first fight when Ray boxed he got back into fight rounds 5-7. You tube it. He didn't dance but he used a little lateral movement to keep fight in center of ring, it was a different story.

Hagler completely blew it. Had he came out after Ray from beginning I think that version of Leonard would not have had enough to stay away or keep him off of him, 5-7th round stoppage. But not ray fault like it wasn't Duran fault Ray fought stupidly the first time.




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yea well Leonard hadnt lost a bout in 11yrs before the Norris bout and look what Terry did to him

If you like giving Leonard his due for a split dec, then how much more should Norris be given accomplishing the same feat but by far wider margin. Can I get an Amen brother!

now let me ask you once again, without hyperbole such as "The Ray that lost them beat Duran, stopped Hearns is just on another level than Norris can imagine." nonsense: how do you propose Leonard stops or even split decisions Norris when it took him 9, & 11 to stop punching bags Kalule & Bonds respectively?

 

people like you are to easily impressed by 32-0 records. other than Cuevas, who was there?

Weston, faded as he was, was already making Tommy wilt by the 6th round

It is my belief that Harold would have won had he not been thumbed

Tommy did improve as a fighter but only after several pounds of much needed muscle had been added to the weight drained welter

Still, I give Ray credit for actually pushing for the fight. he showed ***** on that one rare occasion

and for Hagler, had Marv been anywhere close to his prime, we wouldnt be debating decisions here

Ray just didnt have the right stuff to be fighting prime elites like hagler which is most likely the reason why he never faced Nunn

but make no mistake; no other reason for that missing superfight other than just plain fear, since he was still found to be active against the likes of Duran, Lalonde