Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

Then you better go back and ask her for more lessons, because you have ended up being one of the idiots in the debate.

Just answer the simple question and explain how beating Kalule at 154 equates to being able to beat Norris at the same weight? If you are that sure it shouldn't be too difficult. The Leonard was an ATG and Norris wasn't garbage doesn't cut it. Willie Pep was an ATG, and Buster Drayton wasn't, but I know who I'd put my money on if they had fought each other.

 

based on the two knockdowns produced by Terry and no knockdown's produced by Ray in their fight

That's real smart!

when are you guys going to come to grips with reality and stop all this trolling?

 

I was suspicious of him and his comments from the start. His statements were just incredibly ignorant

He said he got confused but the truth is this guy knows very little about the sport outside of Leonard because he doesnt go back to that time

so he has to read about it. people like that often get confused with the whos-who of boxing

PS: Kalule was a slow, talentless punching bag with no punch, and a padded record

You could say he was 1981's version of Don Lalonde

 

Their are reasons Leonard went back down to Welter and STAYED there after Kalule. Just as there are reasons he fought Hagler at the time he did, demanded catch weights for Hearns 2 and Lalonde before beating the old, fat, and faded Duran before losing to both Norris and Camacho. And those reasons are less than fuk all to do with retina damage.

His fan boys just prefer to believe those reasons don't exist.

 

Ray was in superfights, Terry wasn't. And after he stops Terry, if I was Norris, I would be getting the hell out of the ring. Especially if Ray thinks he resembles a certain RnB singer.

 

He was the complete package, and with the proper adjustments, beats Terry in a competitive fight.

 

He had two fights at Welterweight, after Kalule, and never fought there again. Of these two fights, one of them unified the World Welterweight Championship, in a Superfight, which seems a good enough reason to have gone back down to 147.

 

I was never a SRL fan but watched all his bouts from pre olympics to his final bout. Similarly I watched Norris in all his televised bouts. Technically you cannot compare the two. Leonard the far greater technical boxer, far better footwork/lateral movement, faster combination puncher, far greater chin. Leonard's comeback to ko undefeated and prime Hearns in a bout he was losing where he was cut and hurt is what one looks for when rating any fighter as an ATG.

 

So did Mccallum, and thats who I was thinking of. Fights run into each other especially when going from memory from 30 yrs ago. But as I said I was wrong about that part of the subject. But unlike YOU and your buddy Red, Behind a computer screen Rambo's and saying nonsense I'm a 100% sure you wouldnt say to a mans face I don't need to cover a mistake by throwing insults online. Only COWARDS do that. Your knowledge of the fight game especially is very limited. Esp if u can't separate a personal dislike of a fighter from what he accomplished in the ring itself. So in my point of veiw, you and your buddy Red are very narrow minded. And throw your insults to cover your lack of knowledge.

 

So? What does that have to do with a one on one matchup? They already met and Terry didnt look very scared once the fight was underway. In fact, Terry put the hurt on Ray right from the opening bell and nearly every round from then on

So how would the crowd help Sugar if the fight is only between the two of them?

Everything you come up with, every idea leads to nothing relevent. You are living in a world of unreality

if the fact that you would LIKE to see Ray stop Terry, unfortunately wouldnt happen because Ray doesnt hit like Julian Jackson (an enormous hitter)

and since you are not Norris, of course you would lose and lose big to Leonard

but since there was a real Norris, and he was faster and better, and smarter than Leonard and with the better chin, that explains why Terry won in easy, no sweat fashion

In summary:

The score

Norris: 120
Leonard: 106

The knockdowns
Norris: 2
Ray Leonard: 0

That's fact as contrary to your wishful thinking which never bore out once during the fight :smoke

anyone else bragging that Norris has no chin while scoring all the knockdowns and putting the hurt on that spoiled brat would feel foolish but oh no, not you!

 

In fact, you are a SRL fan who says that so as not to arouse suspicion that he is

Nor do I believe that you actually watched Terry in his TV debut vs Jackson

again, you made a claim but with no detail to back it up

and again after that, you made seveal more claims without proof

The one about the chin was the clincher especially since Norris decked Ray twice but Ray could not reciprocate

so, dont you think you got things screwed up?

you never acknowledge this little fact and keep repeating yourself as tho it's somehow going to make it true

I personlally believe you're full of hot air from top to bottom

You've already been blown out of this conversation before so I dont know for what reason you showed up again

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you're as ignorant as Flash 24. Either that or just as big a liar

 

Really can't compare the two. Norris was a regional amateur champion. Leonard an international amateur champion and Olympic gold medalist.

Norris beaten NINE times. Leonard THREE times.

Norris koed four times. Leonard stopped only once and in his final fight.

Norris first dozen bouts were against nobodies. Pro debuts, no wins, few bouts. (Combined record 23-12). Leonard in contrast fought pros in comparison. (Combined record 183-75)

Norris champion in one division. Leonard champion in five different weight divisions.

Add to it Leonard fought a who's who of ATG champions. Hearns, Duran,Hagler, Benitez. And he has a win against every one.

 

still sore because I pointed out your "mistake"

It only proves how deceitful you are

I think it's good that I pointed it out. I did the forum a favor even tho you feel hurt by it

It's okay tho, you deserve it

I really think you have a lot of nerve making up bouts that never happened, and then come back with more **** claims that we only say what we say based on personal prejudice when people like me and FOXY have facts backing us up and you can't even name one

Go ahead, prove that based on the Bonds, and Howard fights which took 11, and 9 rds, that Ray is going to clean Terry's clock

We've BOTH asked you, Perry, Titan, Man-Machine, and others, and not one of you has ever replied

 

so what if they were against nobodies? What does that prove?

George Foreman faced 38 nobodies going into his first title fight while Frazier had whipped Chuvalo, Quarry, Jimmy Ellis, Bob Foster, and even Ali

Foreman cleaned up on Frazier. Explain that

See how I just blew a hole in your theory?

Ditto with Lloyd Honeyghan- Don Curry

Who had Lloyd beat that was in Don's league?

What about Richard Sandoval who up to his title winning effort, only decisioned a prospect, then dismantled the reigning four year champion, winning every round then knocking him out in the fifteenth

Richard had never gone 15

and Terry is in the same proud company as these men

btw, in terms of defenses, Terry 10

Ray Leonard 4

and none of them coming in Terry's division

I hate to be the one to tell you this but that claim Ray is a five division champion is bogus also

Because Lalonde was not a two division champ! Never was

Kalule was a non entity whom DaveyMoore, a fighter with ten pro bouts, punched out :yep

what did I TELL you about kalule!

and here you are all impressed, even bragging about it!

hagler doesnt count since he was more shot than JFK. I had already seen hags get beat by the weaver triplets the month before

so in reality, it's Terry who has the more impressive numbers seeing as to how Ray only has 4 defenses coming from one division

AND beat Ray himself every round no matter how you try to hide the plain truth of the matter

Terry whipped Ray in an actual fight and I'm betting you all wish you could say it was the other way around

Look how great Floyd was, fighting to the age of late thirties and all of them wins. That's why he needs no excuses

 

Norris first 20 bouts average wins/loss of these opponents?
5.5 wins, 2.3 losses. Very padded. Over one third of his complete pro record! And he lost two of these bouts!

Leonards first 20 opponents? 22 wins, 6.5 losses. Many solid pros. Leonard lost none of these bouts.

Again it's no comparison whatsoever.

We are not comparing Norris vs Foreman. We are comparing him to SRL.