Sugar Ray Leonard vs Floyd and Manny..

I've always said I'd expect Floyd to lose on points to Ray.However,I'd expect Manny to get stopped around midway.Ray is a stylistic holocaust for Manny.This isn't some way to knock Manny,not at all,but I'm old enough to have seen part of Ray's career(admittedly only 84 onwards whilst being able to understand boxing) and what I didn't see,I had seen most of by 94.Ray is the most complete fighter of the modern era,and to say the two top p4p's of today would lose to him is not biased,it is just a cold hard fact.Ray had enough variety and excelled in enough departments(at least until 1982) to deal with almost all natural welters(and a good few middles) that have come and gone since.
I admit I'm a blatant fanboy when it comes to Ray.
But with good reason.:deal
He genuinely had it all,speed,power,chin,heart,skill,killer instinct and finishing,and most of all,a deeper well than any fighter I've ever seen.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's not shortchanging Pac or Money to say that at 147, Leonard would beat both. Neither would be CLOSE to being his best or 2nd best or 3rd best opponent-- just look at his list of victims.

Logically, if all three are equal on a pound for pound basis, then Leonard is the natural 147 guy, whereas the others moved up several divisions during a time when boxing has been inferior. Leonard, on the other hand, wiped out a welterweight division that may have been the strongest in its history or damn close. The only elite fighter he didn't face whom he could have was Cuevas, the weakest of the elites at the time.

Now, back to reality: Leonard is not the equal of Pac or Floyd P4P, he is clearly better than both. So these fellows are not going to bother him with anything that prime Duran and prime Hearns didn't do a lot better. Plus Hagler, prime Benitez, . . .

 

Both Floyd and Manny stand virtually no chance with a prime SRL

Imo both are stopped within the distance

 

Mayweather has better defence.

That being said, Leonard beats both Floyd and Pac. He was superb.

 

He's also got the best resume of any fighter of the last 30+ years to back all of that up.

 

Leonard fought and beat the greatest lightweight, junior welter, jr middleweight, and middleweight of all time. Pacman looked like **** and despite being "new and improved" promised to ko Marquez in 4 and was lucky once again to escape with a controversial victory over a 38 yr old lightweight. Floyd's best win is over a past his prime Oscar Delahoya. Good wins, but when you compare to SRL and even worse, in a h2h match, its ridiculous. :roflatsch

 

There's no comparison.

Benitez (38-0), Duran (72-1), Hearns (32-0), Hagler (62-2). Combined record of 204-3 at the time he beat them. Not even including Ayub Kalule (36-0) who was The Ring/Lineal 154lbs Champion when SRL beat him at the weight.

You arent likely to find too many in history that match Leonard's top end and look as great on film, rate as high H2H.

 

SRL give teach them both a boxing lession.
They are nothing compare to SRL in his prime.

 

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Pac-Duran and FMJ-Hearns would both be better generation cross-over fights.

SRL is simply too witty, powerful and quick for both Pac and FMJ. Both Pac and FMJ feeds of off their speed advantage which they won't have much of against SRL.

He will simply overwhelm FMJ and clown Pac ala Duran (I don't think he can knock out Pac at 147 unless he gets a wide open shot to the body).
Wide UD for both, of course with a better chance of KO-ing Pac.

 

If you're genuinely new,I suspect you missed the funniest thread of the year,where we were treated to the revelation that SRR and SRL are actually the same person,and after a spell in witness protection and some excellent plastic surgery,SRR became SRL.
Oh how I laughed.:rofl
If we exclude that possibility,I have to say that I'll always be guessing when it comes to SRR.I've only seen maybe three full fights and although my mantra has always been that when it really mattered,Ray Leonard always found a way,I suspect that most people who saw both in their prime would opt for SRR.
I'm sorry,if I'm honest I really don't know.:huh

 

I think this is a good question...


SRL vs. Floyd and Pac.


It really depends, are they in the ring at the same time or do they alternate rounds?

 

I suspect SRL would put up a greater fight than people like to give him credit for. Robinson had dynamite KO power in both fists and a granite chin. Punches more compact and damaging. SRL was faster of both hand and foot, much more fluid with his footwork, better defense.

The unfortunate thing is that hardly any film of the 147 Robinson is out there. It's mostly middleweigt material, and great as he was there, he was beatable. I dont have any qualms about people rating Robinson the #1 WW of all-time (it's almost automatic on sheer number of bouts), but Leonard faced and beat just as, if not even better fighters there at the highest level.

 

Excellent points.:good
I just think Ray Leonard had a deeper well than any boxer in modern history,even more so than Ali.
Put a prime Ray in with any natural 147 and most 160's and I'd never bet against him.He's the one guy who had all the ability and ****in superhuman mental strength to boot.