Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Floyd Mayweather, 147

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    The parts highlighted in red need to be fixed badly. I suggest you watch some more Leonard.
     
  2. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    When you have opinions like this, it's best to just keep them to yourself. Just a thought for the future. You seem to have a lot of these opinions, so I'd recommend just not posting for a while until you get a grip on reality.:good
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    This is ridiculous...

    Wilfred Benitez's defense didn't confuse Leonard. Leonard had the speed and timing to land on Floyd, and the power to hurt Floyd. Leonard's jab would pose a lot of problems.

    Leonard had a very good defense, especially for a guy who was aggressive at welterweight and looked to knock his opponents out.

    If Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, and Roberto Duran failed to knock Sugar Ray Leonard out, Floyd Mayweather would most certainly not. This is a guy who showed vulnerabilities to Judah's speed (before adjusting). Even if he did adjust here, Leonard would still hold considerable advantages and would be able to adjust too.

    There is simply no way Floyd's potshotting routine would work against a guy with a greater punch output, a terriffic left jab, and more speed.
     
  4. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    GTF out of here ... its my opinion ... and hey i'm entitled to that ...

    If any disagrees, the disagree, but don't question my sanity - don't get mad -- either counter and explain or don't respond.
     
  5. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good and im a PBF fan but i dont think he would beat leonard however i dont think he would be dominated either
     
  6. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Your post has too many areas to dispute.

    Your basic stance is that Leonard didn't have power, he had no defense, and that Floyd (whos best weights were 130-135lbs) would KO him. Where does one start.

    What has Floyd done at 147lbs that leads you to believe that he KO's Leonard. Leonard fought and beat Duran, Hearns, and Benitez at this weight. Benitez was better defensively than Floyd. Hearns hit harder, and Duran posed much more extensive stylistic problems than Floyd would. Yet, he beat them all.
     
  7. fitzgeraldz

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    Benitez is no Floyd ... and I didn't say knockout, I said TKO ... stoppage.

    You can't say just because Duran didn't do doesn't mean Floyd won't do it. Camacho did it ... so what if Leonard was old -- he shouldn't have stepped into the ring then... he must have thought he could win.

    Just because you high a high punchout doesn't mean that you're going to whoop everyone you step into the ring with. I don't see SRL doing all that shoe-shine stuff. I see him showing respect for Floyd's counter punching ability and similarities in speed.

    SRL isn't just going to go in there and blowing Floyd out ... I had this same response when I said that Floyd would be Sweet Pea ...

    Now why don't you just take the opinion as an opinion ... i'm not mad at anyone for saying that SRL would stop Floyd.

    There's no way that this ever pans out either because they're from two different eras.

    So quite acting like your opinion is so superior because you picked a more popular choice.
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Excellent point. This fight will never happen, so no one can say for certainty what would happen. As long you have good rationale behind your pick, I don't see what the problem is. If picking Floyd is such a far fetched idea, then why does this thread always come up? I don't see the point of proposing a fantasy matchup where someone gets flamed for simply picking one of the fighters.
     
  9. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    You really need to stop with all of this business. Leonard didnt get to where he got by throwing meaningless combinations with nothing behind him. The fact of the matter is that he had very respectable power and could fight like hell when he needed to.

    The more you post the more I think you haven't watche him much.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Lets start off by saying that Floyd has a lower center of gravity and will be difficult to hit by the 5'10 - 5'11 Leonard ...

    Floyd would faint throw SRL off ... I never seen a fighter w/ better fast twitch muscle reflexes ... then the straight jab to the belly or the straight right to the body will zap alot of energy from SRL.

    I don't see Floyd exchanging and giving SRL a chance to land something flush.

    Umm I think the stance that Floyd has is something that Leonard has never seen and at the end of the day, he's confused, looking for a target.
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Thanks
     
  12. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    And therein lies the problem, he doesn't have good rationale behind his pick.
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I disagree. I think he has presented plenty of logic and reasoning behind his pick. He's not simply posting a result without any type rationale. Most people picking Leonard in this thread haven't given any analysis. They are just basicaly picking Leonard because he's the popular pick.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    I'd confidently pick Benitez over Floyd at 147.

    Now you're getting desperate, I'm sure even you realize this. Has absolutely nothing to do with the prime Leonard of the early 80's.

    And I see the smaller, less powerful, weaker, more defensive Mayweather showing Leonard even more respect, considering Leonard was an excellent counter-puncher as well, even faster than Floyd at 147(especially with his hands) and far more powerful. Call it shoe-shining all you want, but if you knew anything about Leonard or watched enough of him, you'd know he was a phenomenal finisher.

    This is even more far-fetched than saying Floyd beats Sweet Pea, coming from Pea's biggest fan. They were at least the same size, and had similarities. Leonard has every edge(including size, strength, and power) other than defense on Floyd.

    I didn't say Ray would straight blow him out, but he'd certainly beat him. A stoppage is quite possible, not sure whether to call it or not though.

    It's not to do with it being a more popular choice, it's to do with understanding not only styles matchups, but physical matchups. And the fact that you called Floyd to TKO him was what lit a fire under me and a few others, as that is absolutely ridiculous.
     
  15. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    More flawed logic. Leonard would not buy Floyd's fainst unless given a reason to respect his power. He would engage Floyd with a solid jab and open up in spurts.

    You act as if Leonard is a crude fighter that can't find his own way to the target (as if Floyd would have to exchange with him to posibly get hit). Thats ridiculous. Leonard was a great offensive fighter.