Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    Pipino Cuevas Fact;

    From,,,,,,,,,May 11, 1974 thru August 1, 1980 (6 Years / 2 Months)

    Ages,,,,,,,16 1/2 thru 22 1/2

    Goes,,,,,,, 20-1-0 (17 KO's)

    No matter what,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is one hell of a run.
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was a fan of Cuevas too, but the fact is that he would have been painfully outclassed...and I mean painfully...the ko would have been, in it's own way, just as impressive for Ray as Tommy Hearn's victory.
     
  3. Senor Pepe'

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    Different Styles,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Sugar Ray would not get that close to Pipino, and would have boxed him
    from the outside, where he'd be 'safe'.

    No way he brutally knocks him out like Thomas Hearns did.

    Computer Results;
    1981...........TKO 11....Ray Leonard
    1982...........TKO 9......Ray Leonard
     
  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It does make me respect him somewhat more , but who were his top 2 wins ?
     
  5. Senor Pepe'

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    Prior to winning the WBA Welterweight Championship on July 17, 1976

    July 12, 1975,,,,,W Unanimous 10-Round Decision over # 10 WBA / #10 WBC
    Weltwerweight, Columbian Carlos Obregon 22-0-0 (14 KO's).

    Note: Pipino Cuevas vs. Carlos Obregon was on the undercard of the Jose Napoles vs. Armando Muniz II bout
    for the WBC Welterweight Championship in Mexico.

    Pipino and Obregon fight a 10-Round back-and-forth war. Pipino scored with the
    heavier blows in the early and middle rounds, but Obregon made a late-charge to make the bout close.
    Boxing Report Scorecards; {Cuevas 96-94....Cuevas 97-95.....Cuevas 96-94}

    Carlos Obregon sweeps the last 3-rounds on all Scorecards.

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    April 3, 1976....KO 1 over #8 WBA Light-Welterweight, Columbian
    Rafael Piamonte 19-0-0 (5 KO's).

    Note: Pipino Cuevas vs. Rafael Piamonte was on the undercard of the Alfonso Zamora vs. Eusubio Pedroza
    WBA Bantamweight Championship out.

    Pipino flattens the tall boxing Columbian at 1:33 of the 1st Round. Rafael Piamonte was jumping up to the
    Welterweight Division, and was over-matched by the stronger Pipino. One jaw-crunching left hook found the mark.
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    Maybe not the greastest list of accomplishments, but he was only 17 1/2 and 18 1/4 years of age in those bouts.
     
  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    piamonte is listed as 1-0 by d time he faced Cuevas and Obregon as 2-0 ,
    d part i colored in red gives rise 2d question as 2y didn't he (Cuevas) achieve something more significant since then , bikoz he did have d time 4 it .
     
  7. Senor Pepe'

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    Double Frank,,,,,,,

    You can't only go by the Box/Rec records.

    I have the FECARBOX, South American, Central American and
    Mexican boxing participant books from back in the day.

    Carlos Obregon, a very good Columbian Welterweight.
    A 5' 9" orthodox boxer-puncher, with good defensive skills and decent right-hand power.
    Was 22-0-0 (14 KO's) before losing to Pipino Cuevas. Not very fast,
    but is a busy fighter. Very good chin and is durable.
    Improved to 28-1-0 (17 KO's) with a #14 WBA Welterweight ranking, before
    losing to World-rated Emiliano Villa in November 1976.


    Rafael Piamonte, a slick Columbian Light-Welterweight.
    A tall and rangy 5' 10" switch-hitter, who could box from both the orthodox and southpaw stance.
    Very fast, but had no punch whatsoever. Stick and jab style,
    and good footwork skills. Chin is a question mark.
    19-0-0 (5 KO's) up to April 1976.
     
  8. Senor Pepe'

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    Early Las Vegas Betting Line for Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas vs 'Sugar' Ray Leonard.

    April 1980

    'Sugar' Ray Leonard..............7 - 5 Favorite (Bout in the United States, except Las Vegas)
    'Sugar' Ray Leonard..............8 - 5 Favorite (Bout in Las Vegas)
    Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas..............8 - 5 Favorite (Bout in Mexico)
    Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas..............7 - 5 Favorite (Bout in California)

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  9. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ???? strange?? These 13 yr old pro fighters always burn out young.
     
  10. ubertroy

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    It would be easy to believe that Leonard would have easily defeated Cuevas. This is primarily because of the way their respective careers panned out. After the Leonard vs Cuevas fight was cancelled, Pipino went on to be destroyed by Thomas Hearns and sink into obscurity. He suffered a loss to Roger Stafford and lost the majority of his remaining fights, including a 4th round KO loss to Roberto Duran.
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    Leonard went on to split a pair of fights with Duran, defeat Hearns and later narrowly decision Hagler among his other accomplishments. It's hard to imagine Cuevas defeating Leonard.
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    Pipino lost the chance for the biggest fight of his career. He didn't stand a chance against the marriage between Sulaiman, King, the WBC and the fact that its headquarters was located in Mexico. Add to that, the WBA was located in Panama, Duran's country. The PTB wanted Duran to get a shot at Leonard instead.
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    While I share the sentiment, that Leonard would win such a match up, it must be taken into consideration that timing might have be a determining factor in this possible match-up.
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    Consider: If Cueves and Leonard had faced each other when the fight was originally signed, each would enter under vastly different circumstances. Cuevas was the longest reigning champion in the sport, having held the WBA title since 1976, before Leonard turned pro. Leonard was fresh off his victory over Benitez, who may not have been in the best of shape, and an easy defense against Dave Green, KO 4.
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    Again, Leonard likely wins this. But a Cuevas win would have been far more imaginable in 1980 than it seems now. With his straight forward style, Cuevas would likely have been a sitting duck for the quick fisted Leonard. However, Cuevas is the harder puncher and Ray was still learning.
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    Leonard went on to lose the title to Duran in June 1980, partly because he was drawn into a psychological war with a master like Duran, who might have been second only to ALI in that distinction. The difference is that, while Duran is far more skilled than Cuevas, Cuevas always trained well. He took boxing a bit more seriously than Duran did at that time.
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    How would Leonard cope if tagged by the solid punching Cuevas. Again, it's hard to imagine but Pipino might well have packed as much power as Hearns, the man who destroyed him. Hearns' power was aided primarily by his reach, leverage, speed, accuracy and timing, all attributes Cuevas lacked. But Power is Power. It's safe to say that Cuevas equals Duran in that category. However, again, Duran is more skilled. Here you have the difference between Power and "Use of Power".
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    In round 2 of the Leonard fight, Duran pulverized him with a right-left combination, which took Leonard until round 5 to clear his head. While the odds are that Cuevas would have a much harder time landing a solid one on Ray's chin, it's not beyond the realm of possibility. If Ray could be drawn into a trench war with Duran, who's to say he wouldn't allow himself to do the same against Cuevas?
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    Cuevas was a much nicer guy than Duran was at the time. But there was no doubt in his mind that he could beat Leonard. He was a very proud champion and it's possible that he might have said things to provoke Leonard to prove he could stand and fight him in the trenches.
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    Again, it's a stretch but the point is that a Cuevas win would have been far more believable and maybe even possible, at that time. Ray wins this one but a Cuevas win was certainly possible.
     
  11. Chuck1052

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    Despite having a powerful left-hook, Pipino Cuevas was far too limited to have much of a chance with a far better fighter like Sugar Ray Leonard. I think that Cuevas's management was aware of his limitations, matching him very carefully up to the time he fought Tommy Hearns.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  12. Shake

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    You've said it yourself, Cuevas could turn it all around if Leonard got careless.

    However, if there is one thing Leonard has never been accused of, it is being careless.

    Leonard inside 8 rounds.
     
  13. Titan1

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    Ray would take this in anywhere from 6 to 10 rounds, better skilled, and he had an iron chin at welterweight.
     
  14. slender4

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    Don't know if he hit harder than Leonard. Duran didn't think so. He always said that Leonard could bang, hit harder than Hagler. He walked right through Cuevas best hooks.
     
  15. Balder

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    This is not a blowout win for Leonard. This will be a hard and dangerous fight.

    Leonard is not as tall and rangy as Hearns, nor as aggressive and skilled at infighting as Duran.

    Leonard will box and get caught a few times in the process, Cuevas had Iron in his Jaw, and wont go down as quickly as he did against Hearns or even Duran.

    This would be a great fight for about 4 rounds, then Leonard will finally catch and hurt Cuevas, ( Probably same shot that Cuevas could weather once or twice)

    Leoanrd was a great finisher , he would overwhelm Cuavas and KO him between rounds 4-6. Cuevas does better against Leonard than either Hearns or Duran.