Sugar Ray Robinson against these Middleweights!

what is tough about this is also why srr was so great-apparantly the tapes we have don't even show him in his best years, which were at ww. i think during those years had he moved up he'd have beaten any middlweight...the guy was 128-1-2 at one point..think about that, say it to yourself 128-1-1. he was stopped once in almost 200 fights and that was heat stroke. one stoppage in almost 200 fights. all of this fighting in one of the greatest eras in the hitory of the sport. allowing for athletic differences due to historical eras- i'd bet on srr over anyone up to 160 on best night vs. best night form

 

Im pretty sure he would take Toney and Hopkins,but the other 3 would be pick'em fights...

 

Jones 2-1
Toney 1-2
Hopkins 1-2
Marvin Hagler 2-1

wins to losses against the Sugar man.

 

I'd pick him to edge Hagler in a good fight, lose to Monzon, probably edge Hopkins but that is a tough call, he'd beat the not yet primed Jones that fought at 160, and he would keep the fight at a distance against Toney and outwork him.

All would be close fights, but the only one I personally am confident in picking to beat him is Monzon, who has a stylistic edge over him.

He only lost twice in his prime (a little less than 150 fights), to LaMotta who outweighed him by 16lbs and whom he beat 5 other times, and late in his Europe Tour against Turpin, who he stopped in the rematch.

 

I'd pick him to beat Hopkins. Don't think he'd beat any of the other guys on that list.

 

The only one that would clearly beat Robinson is Roy Jones Jr

 

At his best at middleweight, he could beat any of them. His problem was consistency - at MW - given how frequently he fought. Jones would probably be the toughest matchup for him.

Though if you throw him into the contemporary environment, with modern training and large rests between fights, I think he would've been far more consistent at middleweight, hence getting rid of any doubt about who he would beat.

 

Very good post. Totally agree.

 

SRR...can't believe the footage we have is supposedly during his decline...On his day,I find it hard to picture any of these guys beating him...SRR threw a lot of leather...at times a heck of a lot...with alot of power I might add...and IMO this is what would get him past Monzon,Hopkins and Toney...IMO he would be a nightmare for Roy Jones...the only man btw...that I think was physically better than SRR...prime Hagler,let's not kid ourselves,would have a great chance against any MW in history....his rentless style...historical chin....above average power...would give anyone fits.

And so I say SRR beats everyone except Marvin...and that would still be a pick'em IMO.

Absoluteley the greatest fighter I've ever seen.Bar none.Dont' y'all think it's strange that there is amature footage of the man but no WW footage whatsoever?Gets me thinking.

 

Can't go against Sugar Ray

 

Robinson beat's them all W/ Hagler giving him the best fight.

Robinson SD over Marvin Hagler
Robinson UD over Carlos Monzon
Robinson UD over Bernard Hopkins
Robinson By K.O. over Roy Jones Jr.
Robinson UD over James Toney

 

I don't really agree with the bolded bit, and I think it gets thrown around too often honestly. If we're talking a young version, say the one that beat Hopkins, I'll agree, but he eventually smoothed his way into his prime by the end of his MW run IMO. He's green at MW but has arguably his peak performance a single fight later in his move-up title bout at 168 against Toney? I just don't buy it, even if I think he generally looked better at 168.

That's not to say whether I think he could or could not beat Robinson at MW, just expressing that I believe that mode of thinking is thrown around too often.