Sugar Ray Robinson - Greatest of all time? For ALL time?

Sugar Ray ducked my boys from the row.

 

this is self righteous garbage. You very obviously don't have the boxing education or acumen to question or doubt any former experts, dead or alive. You've always been closer to a troll than someone to take serious....

 

Do I need to give you a list? Your close minded, ignorant view is what's really insulting.
Notice how I also didn't say that Greb was greater than SRR, I only said that they are both equal in terms of greatness and yet you're taking full offense to it.

 

He is and can`t see anyone beating him in my lifetime

 

He was very gangster.

How gangster?
Robinson won the 1939 featherweight and 1940 lightweight Golden Gloves titles.
Then he turned pro.
He went 40-0 being kept away from the welterweight crown due to the mafia business at the time for quite a few years since he should have gotten his chance.
He beat lightweight champ Sammy Angott easy and didnt get a deserved title opportunity early in his career.
He was gangster enough to rematch LaMotta 3 weeks after losing to him.
He finally got his much deserved title shot 6 years into hos career and won the welterwight title.he only defended the title 4-5 times but never really came close to losing it before moving up 3 and a half years later.
He was gangster enough to win it from LaMotta via stoppage.
He went 128-1-2 in the span before losing it to Turpin,the loss being avenged 5 times and one of the draws being avenged via 1st rd KO.
After he lost the title he immediately won it back in stunning fashion 2 months later.
He moved up to light heavy and we all onow he had a bit of bad luck to not get that belt aswell.
He really ahould have been 3 weight world champion in the 8 weight 1 champion era.Which is really a big accomplishment.
In his comeback he was hot and cold but he gave some stunning moments knocking out Oldon for the title as the underdog in december 55 and Fullmer in may 57.
His title win vs Basilio in march 58 was great aswell.
Of his 19 losses 16 came in his comeback while clearly past it and he avenged 2 of 3 in his prime.
Absolute legend.

 

You're literally having a mental breakdown with your name calling. You seriously need to calm down and seek help.

 

I'm not gonna play this game, look it up yourself if you're so desperate.
There really was no need to ruin this thread just because I mentioned Harry Greb's name with SRR. I think it is you who is being a parrot.

 

Are you serious?? Is that how you think, if you believe on e old expert, you have to believe them all?? That makes no sense and further strengthens my position that you are simply one to never take serious. You troll. That's it.

You believe no expert is why you will never learn. You don't have the humility to learn.

 

I feel like its possible only if the governing bodies allow it to be. Fighters have to fight the best to be the best. I don't think there has been an opportunity in the last 20 years for a fighter to frivolously demolish fighters like SRR did. You just cannot get sanctioned to fight as often as you once could. and it detrimentally affects a fighters ability to build a legacy.

Thank you for this name, I will look into this fighter, I've never heard of him! Anything more you could tell me about Azumah Nelson?

 

I'll save you a sec, Olu pretends to be the nephew of Azumah Nelson and tries to refer to the Maywethers as 'family'.

 

It's easy to understand, it's just moronic nonsense. You're saying we don't have the information to come to a conclusion, then coming to a firm conclusion based on it.

You can watch Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Mickey Walker, Kid Norfolk Gene Tunney etc., and read about Greb's results against them.

You can watch Benny Leonard and see him calling Harry Greb the greatest of all time in 1939

 

It's hard, because I absolutely feel the title of GOAT is tied like 3 ways between Robinson, Greb, and Gans or Langford or Armstrong (take your pick between the latter three). But the only reason I must rate Robinson higher is because we have film. But I think the fact Greb is brought up in these discussions is a testament that people do know he was one of the greatest to lace up gloves.

Ignorant. Just ignorant. Literature exists for a reason. More of boxing history has been written down than filmed. Dude quit schizo posting about how credible your eyes are and foolishness like that. You're just wrong and defended an argument with poor logic. Quit attacking people on the forum just for speaking Greb's name. Dear god. It just blows my mind, the bias you have against every written account we have on fighters as according to you it is all insufficient compared to film. Not even comparable.

 

Do your research. You are in for a treat.

 

He's a clear yes for me right now.

But given the recent trend towards undisputed, combined with young fighters being heavily hyped and moved quickly, we could well see someone do it.

I mean people say the opponents aren't there, that's nonsense. Had Pacquiao done his exact career, but undefeated he'd easily be the Goat now. So the opportunity is there.

Had Jones Jr had his exact career but undefeated, we'd be calling him the goat as well.

 

Two very weak arguments.

Firstly we can all see his resume and the men he beat and the frequency with which he besmat HOF fighters.

Secondly if someone didn't watch Haney vs Kambosos, and plenty of people didn't, that doesn't mean Haney isn't the undisputed champion. Your eyes are useful but not the only info source.