Sugar Ray Robinson - is it even acceptable to have him at #9 p4p?

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  1. DINAMITA

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    This is NOT my top 8, BUT to the Classic Forum I ask, if someone had this top 8 with Robinson at #9, would you think it was (a) agreeable, (b) perfectly valid even though you disagree, (c) plainly wrong to the point of stupid, (d) utterly laughable???

    1.Harry Greb
    2.Sam Langford
    3.Henry Armstrong
    4.Willie Pep
    5.Muhammad Ali
    6.Ezzard Charles
    7.Roberto Duran
    8.Joe Louis
    9.Sugar Ray Robinson


    TO ALL THOSE WHO SAY (c) and (d)...

    then what is the lowest you could accept having him on this list before you would change to: (b) perfectly valid even though you disagree???
     
    DINAMITA, Sep 9, 2008
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    This wouldn't of fit in my Robinson thread? :D
     
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  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did not Ray Robinson win an easy decision over Armstrong?

    Robinson is up there with Roy Jones
     
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  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    No way he's out of the top 4. No way in hell Louis outranks him.
     
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  5. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Look at Russel´s Robinson thread, it´s basically the same.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    d), and the lowest would be 4, 5 at a push but it requires explanation.
     
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  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Given that Ali said Robinson was P4P superior and the number 1 its a little odd having him above SRR.
     
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  8. DINAMITA

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    I don't see why that matters at all. If Amir Khan says he is better than Floyd Mayweather, is that automatically truth as well then just because a boxer said it? I make my own decisions, and my own decision is that Robinson should be ahead of Ali, but that's because of the evidence to support this, not because one man said so. It's likely that someone like Roberto Duran would show deference to a legend like Ali by saying that Ali was the GOAT or that he does not rank himself as equal to a man like Ali. Would that then make it automatically true with no need to think it over yourself? I would still go with Duran even if he did say either of those things.
     
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  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    It does matter because Ali is admitting Robinson is better on a P4P basis, rather than saying hes the greatest P4P fighter. He is showing respect to a legend BUT Ali didn't show any respect to Louis saying he'd easily pick Louis apart. Incidently Ali also showed allot of respect for Jack Johnson

    Few would rank Ali over Robinson P4P because of the technical mistakes Ali makes and Robinson being more complete

    It should be noted Robinson also has 'easy' wins over Armstrong and Pepp (amateurs I believe)
     
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  10. mightyd40

    mightyd40 Spartan Full Member

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    the lowest robinson should be ranked without me asking why would be 3-4. any lower than that and i believe the person making the list is either a.) a hater or b.) looking for attention
     
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  11. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think he would have to be top five I don't think Duran, Louis or Ali should rank above him.
     
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  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    TBH I think anyone picking Armstrong over Robinson is trying to be a pseudo-boxing interlectual. The facts simply don't add up
     
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  13. TommyV

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    Sugar Ray Robinson has to be in the top 4. Along with Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb. Order of those doesn't matter. Personally I have Langford, Greb, Robinson, Armstrong in that order. But I wouldn't disagree with any order. But those 4 have to be the top 4.
     
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  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Don't forget Wlad Klitiscko ... I'm sure many here rate himj in the top five all time pound for pound ... :lol:
     
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  15. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Wlad's is shaky not glass.

    EDIT: Sorry wrong thread I thought this was the glass jaw thread. :rofl
     
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