Sugar Ray Robinson - is it even acceptable to have him at #9 p4p?

No. Armstrong was shot at the time Robinson beat him by 10 round Decision, whereas Pep was a smaller amateur. Not nearly as notable as you make out.

 

I dispute Armstrong was shot, he was coming off career best wins near the time and it was an easy win for SRR who was only a 3year pro himself. Past prime yes, but no Armstrong gets anywhere close to beating Robinson

Robinson was below 135 as an amateur and in 1940 there was only 5lbs between their weigh in weights as Pepp was weighing 130.

Lets be clear Robinson started his career as a lightweight

 

I agree with this, i would not really like to see him below 4 and the only way i could see 4 boxers ranked above him would be if they where langford, greb, armstrong and charles, no one else even has a case IMO. For me though he is no1

I can see no argument for having ali,duran,pep and louis in front of him none at all

 

While i agree that no armstrong would ever get near SRR, from the reports i've read of the fight he was clearly shot and ray held backed and carried him as henry was one of his heroes

 

SRR dominating doesn't necessarily state hes shot, look at who Armstrong beat near to the fight:

Joyce (1month prior) - beat Ike Williams a load of times and Armstrong himself

Angott (3months prior) - beat Williams, Pepp, Saron, Arismendi, Dayas lightweight world champ

Zivic (10months prior) - beats the man who dethroned him

Past prime yes, shot? I don't think so

 

Fighters can just go that quickly to being shot though, espicially armstrong and the way he fought its possible, for instance morales after pac 1 was the same, he just wasn't the same fighter again, it happens. Its difficult to say for sure with armstrong as all i'm going on is reports of there fight, and everyone i've read said henry wasn't just over the hill but shot to pieces

Shame we haven't got the video to judge, would be a fight i would be very intrested to watch

 

Well he also went on to beat Joyce again the following year. A shorter walking forward pressure fighter would always be bread and butter for Robinson

Interesting you brought up Morales, he was 1-5 in his last 6 with his sole win against Pacman, a bit of an overrated win for Pacquaio (although I thought Morales could have edged Diaz in his last fight). Morales also blew up between fights to around 180, that was always going to catch up to him

 

And you would be correct in this assertion.

("PEPP" is PEP!)

 

ATG lists are opinion and not fact so if someone ranks Sugar Ray Robinson #9 that is their choice. Personaly I think that ranking is low, I have him #3 which many off you will think is also low.

 

1 no other place to put him he is 1 and will always be 1

 

Robinson has to be top 4, no questions

 

I have him around nr 6

 

4 at the lowest. He's my #2.

 

Im somewhere between (B) & (C) because I dont think a list like that is perfectly valid but I feel its plainly wrong but probably not as far as to call it stupid as all 8 above him were indeed ATGs.

I think probably 4/possibly 5 is the lowest I could see Robinson on a top 10 lists without feeling the need to fire 101 questions at the list maker.

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