Sugar Ray Robinson v Marvin Hagler Prime vs Prime

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  1. city boxer

    city boxer New Member Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson v Marvin Hagler Prime v Prime I see Robinson would win on points. Both are tough champions. This fantasy fight would be one of the best middleweight boxing matches in history. No one would get KO'd as both have tough chins, but on hand speed that would win Robinson the fight. The strength of Hagler, Robinson would have coped with, just like when he fought tough fighters such as Jake LaMotta and Henry Armstrong to name a few.
     
  2. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    15 back and forth ultra competitive rounds. In the end Robinson has the slightly classier more eye catching work and wins a close decision.
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The thing is when Ray Robinson was in his absolute prime, he was a Welterweight. He moved up to Middleweight when he was about 30 yrs. old. I give prime Hagler a shot. I think it would be a close decision either way.
     
  4. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I give it to Hagler with his ability to pressure opponents when he chose to. I believe he would come out smoking like he did against Hearns. He wouldn't be able to knock out Robinson though, I think he would take the lead brawling in the first few rounds, and then keep the fight in his favor with a more measured pressure, while also changing his style and boxing Robinson at times.
     
  5. Frankel

    Frankel Active Member Full Member

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    mismatch. Hagler was very one-paced fighter who struggled against fighters who could box. Kevin Finnigan twice boxed rings around Hagler, only to be butted out of both victories. Ray Leonard in only his 2nd fight in over 5yrs boxed rings around Hagler. Roberto Duran misjudged badly by coasting the final round, only to lose out on the narrowest of decisions. Hagler was a slugger, a brawler and a very effective one. He seemed to avoid facing boxers his whole career. Sugar Ray Robinson The creme-dela-creme. He could do it all. box, slug, fight, punch, dance, every single aspect of the game, he was top drawer. Hagler would not pose too much of a problem to Ray Robinson. Marvin never faced a puncher or a boxer of the caliber of Robinson. i see Robinson doing what Leonard didn't do and TKO Hagler around the 12rd. Gene Fullmer was a rougher, tougher brawler than Hagler, But `past-prime`Robinson put him too sleep.
     
  6. Warwick Hunt

    Warwick Hunt Active Member Full Member

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    Hagler was more than a slugger,in fact despite his fearsome persona I'd say Hagler was at heart more of a boxer who slugged than a slugger who boxed.
    As someone has already stated Hagler had a mainly measured approach,of course he could go in the trenches and go toe to toe as with Hearns but he mainly preferred to keep control of a fight by using his boxing skills and savvy.
    At middleweight I think this is a tough one for Sugar Ray who let's face it didn't mind a brawl even though he had fantastic boxing skills.
    No one's getting KO'd here but I think Sugar Ray just ekes out a close decision over the 15 rounds,but it wouldn't surprise me to see a Hagler victory.
     
  7. Frankel

    Frankel Active Member Full Member

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    Hearns broke his famous right-hand in the opening round, otherwise Hagler was heading for a TKO loss due to cuts. Hagler was a short guy standing only 5`9` and slow with his punches, Robinson would have beaten him easily.
     
  8. Warwick Hunt

    Warwick Hunt Active Member Full Member

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    Well your Hearns opinion is only an assumption. LaMotta was slow with his punches,as were Fullmer and Basilio all face first brawlers with nowhere near the skills of Hagler and they all gave Sugar Ray trouble.
    I happen to think Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter of all time,but he wouldn't have had an easy ride against Marvin Hagler.
     
  9. city boxer

    city boxer New Member Full Member

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    Yeah his best years were 1946-51, but also did well in his latter years at Middleweight Robinson, but for this fight he would have had no problem making weight, as he proved. I have a lot of respect for Hagler too, tough fighter. The technical thing I can see Hagler doing wrong is when he doesn't keep to Southpaw stance like when he fought Leonard in the first couple of rounds he lost because he switched, other than he was one of the best.
     
  10. city boxer

    city boxer New Member Full Member

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    You could have said a mismatch against Leonard but proved to be one of the best 12 middleweight rounds of many years. I still think it would have gone the distance at a 15 round fight with Robinson. As Hagler could give it out aswell as take it. I do see it being like the Leonard fight except being a better performance from Hagler in his prime, than at the end of his career.
     
  11. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If it's the Robinson from the Valentines Day Massacre, I think he wins. The speed and skill to outbox Hagler, and unlike Leonard, the devastating POWER to deter Hagler from coming in.

    Hagler would no doubt be highly competitive, but I just feel that version of Robinson would be too sharp, and too good for Marvin.
     
  12. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you're underestimating Hagler.
     
  13. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robinson could box, he could punch and he was smart. He took a far better punch than Hearns and was a better 147-160lber. The version that stopped LaMotta could stop Hagler late as well.
     
  14. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good points. But, Hagler had a better defense than LaMotta. I think the only way Hagler could get stopped is if he cut badly. No guarantee that would happen.
     
  15. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Sure he would kid