Sugar Ray Robinson v Marvin Hagler Prime vs Prime

I think Robinson beats Hagler convincingly. I dont think Hagler was near smart enough for Robinson and everything Hagler could do Robinson could do better. Punching power: Robinson. Speed: Robinson. Skill: Robinson. Height: Robinson. Reach: Robinson. Experience: Robinson. Poise: Robinson. Basically you can go down the list and Robinson should be a convincing favorite.

 

This would be an awesome match. No-one is boxing circles or walking through anyone here. If Robinson can get Hagler to really respect his punch, I think he grinds out a points win.

Hagler has a hell of a chin, though, and does everything well. He fights to do damage at all times, and treats judges like they don't matter.

Hell of a match, Robinson wins a narrow decision but is actually the more damaged fighter of the two.

 

2 fights come to mind here SRL and Duran and SRR brought more to the table at that weight. SRR KO guys that were never stopped as well. I love Hagler but this is a tall order for him

 

Thats exactly what I was thinking. And on top of it if Hagler can get flustered by the magnitude of events like his fights with Antuofermo, Duran, and Leonard it doesnt bode well for him against an iceman like Robinson who had been to the big dance dozens of times.

Also, what happens when Hagler gets his ridiculous ego trip and decides he can outbox Robinson right handed?

 

Hells Bells!! How is it possible that Robinson ever lose a fight in his entire career!!

Going by that he would have been a convincing winner in every fight he ever fought!

 

Hagler is tough for anybody at 160...but the pick is SRR.

 

Hagler beats him

 

How many fights did he actually lose before he became a shadow of his former self and to who? It did specify prime for prime or would it be more fair to match Hagler with a Robinson that was old... and had one hand tied behind his back?

 

Hagler would have considerable weight, reach(yes, reach), strength, chin and stamina advantages in this one. Robinson would basically need to make the most of his speed and overall skill set. To those of you who question which man would have the superior chin, ask yourself if SRR ever fought anyone that could bang like Mugabi.

 

Ha! Stamina?? The same guy who gassed against Vito Antuofermo?? When was stamina an issue for Robinson other than fighting a LHW in 100+ degree heat (two things Hagler never had to contend with). You are confusing wingspan with reach. Two different things. Hagler had broad shoulders and wide back, measure arm length, which is the true indicator of reach and Robinson held the advantage, nevermind that that Hagler's 2 inch wingspan advantage would be negated by Robinson's height advantage. And finally I realize some people cream in their pants over a muscular bald black man with a goatee but when exactly did Hagler show that he was so physically strong? Against LW Duran when he was ****ting his pants at the best fighter he ever fought? Or old ex WW Leonard who wasnt known for his physical strength, or was it ex WW Hearns, also not known for his physicality. Who was it that Hagler was so strong against. Jake Lamotta was conssidered one of the strongest middleweights ever during his career and Robinson handled him 5 times despite some of the disadvantages you think Hagler might have had. And yes, I think Robinson fought plenty of guys who could hit as hard as the smaller Mugabi. Who exactly did Mugabi knock out that makes you think he was a harder puncher than the guys that Robinson was beating whose resumes **** all over Mugabi's. What Mugabi knocks out a long list of tomato cans and three or four lower top ten contenders past their prime and suddenly hes the hardest puncher in history? If he hit that damn hard he would have killed Terry Norris china chinned ass. A better question is whether or not it would have taken a 32 year old Robinson 11 rounds to stop the limited Mugabi. Im guessing no.

 

Some of your points are good, but others are nonsense. For starters, Hagler was strong. Mustafa Hamsho was known for his brute strength and Hagler had no problem with him whatsoever. And Duran certainly did not have Hagler scared. The fight was not as close as the cards indicated. Hagler chose to box. Duran rather than go for an all out aggressive attack. Hearns had trememdous punching power which Hagler easily walked through. Hagler adapted and used whatever style he thought was necessary for a particular opponent.

Yes, prime Mugabi punched very hard. He was limited, but his power was real. Curtis Parker was kod silly in one round. Curtis Parker was known to have a very good chin and wasn't knocked down or kod by anyone else in his prime, and he fought a lot of contenders. The Mugabi who lost to Terry Norris was way past his prime.

 

He lost to Randy Turpin when he was in his middleweight prime.

 

Oh really? So you think THAT Ray Robinson was at his absolute best? You think that he was in his prime that night? Because something tells me that ****ing, partying, and fighting his way across europe (nearly a fight a week) took a wee bit out of him. I guess if this was Robinson at his best we can concede that Hagler was at his best when he weezed his way to losing almost every round against Willie the Worm? No? I didnt think so. As the title says "Prime Vs Prime" Not a worn out frazzled Robinson against a prime Hagler, but I concede under those circumstances Hagler MIGHT have a chance... Maybe.

 

You can make any excuse you want but Turpin beat him in his prime. Robinson was 30 yrs old when he lost to Turpin. He won and lost the title several times after the Turpin fight. Hearsay about partying is no evidence he was worn out or frazzled. Hagler was still developing when he lost to Monroe.

I still think Robinson would win a close decision over Hagler but you haven't made any cogent points to warrant your theory of a Robinson blow out victory.