Sugar Ray Robinson v Roy Jones @ 168

Roy Jones by KO

 

But what that tells us about his chin? With Jones it will be fatal mistake, as he not only hits harder, but is a MUCH better finisher than all the guys are mentioned.

Have you even seen the Tarver II fight? Have you not seen the rubber match as well?

A shame is everyone here statings things that don't correlate with facts, and use multiple excuses and wishful thinking for Robinson instead, because he's the more popular guy.

 

The situation with Artie Levine fight was worse than Tarver-II, Robinson reportedly lying on the canvas LONGER than 10 seconds and getting up at least as hurt as Jones was, but the rules back then were more democratic in giving a fighter a chance, than they are in our time. Jones got up before the count of ten, unlike Robinson.

 

Thulane Malinga.

If you have even seen his fights outside of Hopkins one (where he fought with injured hand), you wouldn't have such questions. He was as fresh at the end of the bout as he was in the 1st in almost all of his bouts, and he had a very good workrate at 160 and 168, throwing a hundred punches per round wasn't a problem for him at all.

Have you seen his last fights? If you don't see his technique there, my advise would be either to get yourself a bigger monitor or to go check with ophtalmologist.

They aren't very friendly about each other.

Sr or Jr?

Apparently I have argued it here on multiple examples that anyone who has his fights can see.

Go watch some Robinson fights, in particular how he fights off the ropes, how he fights in the clinches, how he doesn't always keep his hands up, how he lunges with hooks without protecting his chin with the other hand, etc etc. Maybe I studied Robinson's fights not as thoroughly as Jones, but enough to say that he wasn't the perfect technician some people here consider him to be, he had a lot of flaws if we going to apply the same standards as we do for Jones.

 

There's one huge difference between Robinson and Jones - Robinson was a fighter, Jones not so much.

 

It's not like Robinson looked like a fish out of water at 175lbs.

I think he'd prove to be one of the greatest at 168lbs also.

He'd demolish Roy IMO - Letting Robinson punch from the outside was a big no-no, most of the guys that beat him had to fight aggressively and maul him to make it an inside slugfest - Basilio, LaMotta, Fullmer etc.

Ray Robinsons timing was absolutely superb, he wasted few punches, this would be the key to defeating Roy who only had the advantage in the speed and footwork department. He'd fight the same way he did against Hopkins, but Robinson was faster, more powerful, threw better combinations, and moved more fluidly than Bernard.

Trying to marginally outpoint Robinson is a big no-no for these reasons.

It'd be the Tarver fight all over again.

 

Robinson fought almost 50 fights against opponents weighing more than 160 pounds and by count he only lost five of them. With the exception of his loss to Jake Lamotta, Robinson lost four fights after he had lost the middleweight champiponship for the fifth time. Robinson was over 40 years old at the time. The only time Robinson was stopped fighting an opponent weighing more than 160 pounds was when he quit against Joe Maxim. In fact, that was the only time Robinson was ever stopped in his career.

Robinson fought more than 150 opponents weighing more than the welterweight limit. In his prime he lost only twice to opponents over welterweight (to Jake LaMotta and Randy Turpin).

I just don't see Robinson getting knocked out by Tarver. I think Robinson has all the tools to beat Roy Jones jr.

 

You're twisted mate. The fact is that Robinson was up in time via the criteria that matters and came back. How in fukks name you see Jones shocking KO to Tarver as better god only knows. Read what you are writing, you're going berko.

 

At 160 the fight's a toss up. 168 Jones by late TKO.

 

Lets make this simple, in his entire career how many times was Robinson Knocked Out (over 200 fights against better competition than Roy) and how many was Roy KO'ed.

Yes and No, i didnt want to taint the opinion I had of Jones by watching the 3rd fight. Out of curiosity how did you score that.

I was using a little bit of poetic license, regarding the "10-20minutes"

How long have you been a boxing fan Senya?

 

Let's make it clear, how many times was Jones hurt or knocked down during first 14 years of his career, 10 of which were filled with championship fights? Only once, when the replays show clearly it was more because of a slip (on wet canvas) than from effect of the punch. How many times was Robinson hurt or knocked down during first 14 years of his career?

Jones got up before the count of 10 in Tarver II and in Tarver III managed to stay upright after a counter that staggered him badly, and recover quickly enough to start chasing Tarver around the ring, and while doing this "eat" another counter to the jaw without even flinching.

 

I was polite enough to answer your questions, could you do the same?

What was your card in Jones vs Tarver III?

How long have you been a boxing fan?

 

I scored it for Jones, for slightly better clean punching in most rounds and much better defense (Tarver was missing all the time even with his jabs).

4+ years fan, but watched boxing before too, occasionally (for several years).

 

As I've said I have not seen the 3rd fight yet (i do have it though), so i may watch it over the weekend and post my scorecard.

How have you amassed such a fight film collection in such a short time (4 years), you seem to have most filmed fights of any importance

 

It took about 2.5 years, since I set up a satellite dish to one European satellite, recording ESPN Classic Sport, Eurosport, and some other channels, then trading with several russian collectors. I have about 3600-3700 fights. Although I've watched less than half of them, not enough time.