Sugar Ray Robinson Versus Floyd Mayweather

Ray Robinson vs Floyd Mayweather is a fun match-up, but at welterweight it’s really Robinson’s world. Robinson was in his absolute prime there — bigger, stronger, faster, and able to hurt guys with either hand. Mayweather, on the other hand, was great at 147 but it wasn’t his best weight class; he’d already moved up from where his speed, reflexes, and pop were sharper.

Floyd’s defense, timing, and ability to adapt would keep him in it for stretches, and he’d make Robinson miss plenty. But Robinson fought and beat bigger punchers, slicker movers, and more complete fighters than Floyd ever saw, and he did it over 15 rounds. At welterweight, I think Robinson gradually breaks him down and either wins a clear decision or stops him late.

At their absolute best weight classes — lightweight for Floyd, welter for Robinson — the conversation is a lot closer. But at 147, Robinson has the clear edge.

 

That's an odd guage to use for a TBE analysis.

How do you think Robinson getting hit too much would effect a fight between him Floyd rather than a comparison of them?

 

On the film of him, he looks like a guy who could’ve had a good round robin with Canelo, Jacobs, and GGG.

By word of mouth, he was supposed to be the best at 147 but there isn’t film. The 160 version is definitely beatable.

 

There’s no decent film of him at 147 so it’s hard to say how he’d look there.

 

Not only Moore, but Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Lomatta, Armstrong , and most boxers that lived
and saw Robinson fight, plus most boxing trainers in the history of the sport, from old school
to the new, plus universally recognized by most boxing writers and fans alike.
All of us have a" preconceived notion" of Robinson's greatness .

With the exception of No Neck, because he knows the sport of boxing better than
anyone that ever lived, in fact, the sport really wasn't great until he started to watch it.

 

Plenty of Floyd though, losing to castillo and at welter having his problems with a blown up Ricky Hatton even with the most biased ref known to man.
Floyd is very talented, but what has he got against Robinson? Robinson hits harder, is just as fast or faster, can brawl, box, fight on the inside or outside, is bigger, has just as good stamina which is one of Floyd’s strongpoints.
Robinson was the best middleweight of his generation even fighting past prime against quality opponents.
Does there really need to be film of him fighting Gavilán to extrapolate what we do know about him to see that he’s not losing to Mayweather at welterweight?

 

I find it odd that you’re acting a little butthurt about Floyd beating a 135 champion when the fight is at 147.

 

Ok sure, mayweather brings his heavy artillery and bombs out the scrappy Robinson in 3

 

Most great fighters above 140 pounds beat Mayweather Jr. Robinson annihilates him.
There's nothing magical about May Jr's defensive skill level. What's much more telling is
the fact most of his "name" opponents where past prime.
Most fighters from the past would hit the opponent where they could.
Especially during Robinson's era, unlike boxers of the last 10-15 yrs
that are programmed to be target specific.
Don Turner gives great insight in a recent video on You Tube on
how fighters from past era's would've fought, and eventually beat
May Jr.
Target his shoulders and arms, hips, and thighs, be patient
and grind him down.
Eventually, the prime targets, the chin, ribs, liver will present
themselves.
Mayweather Jr, also didn't punch hard enough to get Robinson's
and many other great and not so great fighters respect above
lightweight.
Robinson, and many, many other fighters at jr.welter and
above would beat Mayweather Jr. Some shockingly easily.

 

Floydie would have ducked him like he did a dozen other fighters in his career.

 

28 votes to 1 damm.

 

I’d bet the house on Floyd if it were 28:1 odds.

 

Soon: NoNeck's thread explaining the advantages of being homeless

 

There is good portion of his 2nd bout with Turpin at Middleweight. Another bout that was an older Robinson fighting Gene Fullmer in their 3rd bout. Their decent quality films.
His sets up Fullmer for a 1 punch KO in their 2nd bout. He set him up similar to the way Roy Jones set up guys.