Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Charley Burley

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  1. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    could ray handle Burley's power? ihe never faced anyone with that kind of power, what if it were to overwhelm him?
     
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  2. thejokerswild

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    People have said it way better than I can but this is exactly the type of match up id want to see. Psychology and skills masterclass, wish theres more Burley out there in the public.
     
    thejokerswild, Aug 17, 2010
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  3. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no no, i meant when they were both old men at that ceremony, hed have beaten ray were they to get in a fight... brley was quite strong as an old guy wasnt he?

    as for the ring fight when they were pros, i honestly dont know, thats i why i wnated to hear others views, guys who would know more about the matchup than myself.
     
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  4. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    true, a match of brains rather than brawn, but burley had a lot more power in his shots than ray, it makes me wonder if ray could handle that, he had problems with power punchers in that they could drop him, levine, graziano, even lamotta knocked him out the ring, a guy with burleys power is a hige factor in this fight.
     
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  5. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good for Charley, and lucky for Ray.

    Who the hell would want to take on a deadly old man like Burley?:nut

    2:10 - 2:36
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOHIxGiTzA[/ame]
     
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  6. McGrain

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    More an individual than maybe anyone else in the game at the time. Who he was seemed to come across to a greater degree in his boxing and the tiny bit he said that in a years worth of bombast from many other more vocal fighters. This individualism stands out because boxers tend to be appraised first and foremost as fighters rather than men - Burley the man is more wrapped up with Burley the boxer than many fighters, perhaps.

    I often wonder what kind of champion he would have made. There is really no way to know I guess.
     
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  7. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Artie Levine. Rocco Barbella. Serious power in both men. Robinson was never stopped by anything but the angry sun in 25 years as a professional.
     
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  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kenny LaSalle took Charley Burley's best, though in all fairness LaSalle was nearly impossible to stop.
     
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  9. bman100

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    with Levine, there are reports he got up after 22 seconds due to a mistake that ref made, if its true then he lost by KO. i dont beleive levine was close to burleys power and ray would hae his hands full for sure. burley had great defence, ray did not, and i wonder if ray could outmove him because i think mcgrain is right, ray would fight very cautiously in order to not get KO'd.

    concerning gavilan, he claimed to hit the Kid with the hardest punch he evr threw and Gavilan brushed it off, in the early rounds of the first fight. Ray became despondant after that and jabbed his way to victory, probably similiar to the first few rounds of the Lamotta 6 fight. Ray would probably do the same for Burley. On the other hand, Burley faced a lot of slick fighters in Cocoa Kid and Williams both of which was supposed to have fought in a similar fashion to Ray. But Ray could easily change his methods, he did it all the time, becoming more aggressive, its a real toss-up this.
     
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  10. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The most I'd throw down on this would be my slippers.
     
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  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If I had my life to live over....
    When I was a young lad I woulkd go to fights with my dad weekly [at least] i the NYC
    area..One evening in 1942, I believe he insisted I go to the fights that evening to see a
    prelim fighter he liked at St. Nicholas Arena...I refused this one time as I was invited to
    a party,[ I just discovered girls be then ]. He came home late that night and his
    prelim guy lost his bout , but my father RAVED about the main eventer who ko'd his man
    in the first round. His name was Charley Burley...
    Today I can kick myself for not seeing this legend ringside in his prime !!!
    P.S. Someone wrote, "it is a pity that youth is wasted on the young " !!!
     
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  12. teeto

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    We do this one every day it seems. Robinson for me.
     
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  13. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As for the question of Robinson vs. Burley, I who saw the Welterweight Robinson in his prime a few times, find it hard to visualize any 147 lb.
    fighter beating him, at equal weights..Just can't see it !
     
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  14. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    why's that?
     
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  15. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In 1942 I think Charley was far from past his best at 24/25 with plenty of good wins left in the tank while Ray was still a welterweight at 20/21. I think Charley can win this and beat Lamotta to breaking Ray's winning streak.
     
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