Sugar Ray Robinson vs Henry Armstrong but with a twist

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    This fight takes place at a catchweight of 136

    The last performance Robinson had at this weight was a 3rd round stoppage of Maxie Shapiro. He was 23-0 in this fight and also had his 85-0 amateur career. Robinson DID state that he learned alot about boxing when he fought Fritzie Zivic, which was 2 fights AFTER this.

    Almost everyone believes that Robinson would beat Armstrong in his prime at welterweight, but would the Armstrong that dismantled Lou Ambers for the 135 title have too much pressure for a green-er Robinson that weighs less? Robinson would most likely rehydrate to 140-141 BTW
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t think Robinson`s body could have been that strong at that weight, he was 5'11, I don`t think he`d have the power to keep Armstrong of and would get bullied around the ring.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    O think Armstrong would get him, Ray wasn't a bully in the ring and I doubt he had the power he had at WW at 136, I think a prime Armstrong would push him about with his shoulder and get some good leverage into his body shots. I didn't know that Zivic was the fight that Ray used to boost himself, I thought it was his loss to LaMotta. But anyways if he wasn't good enough to put on a clinic and wasn't powerful enough to keep Henry of him then I think the only logical outcome is Henry by a UD in a brutal hard to watch fight
     
  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At full weight 147 prime Armstrong beats prime Robinson. PERIOD
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I always like hearing your controversial opinions, even if I disagree with them
     
  6. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thx. You got to cut yr own path in this life.
     
  7. Blaxx

    Blaxx Active Member Full Member

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    When Robinson faced Armstrong, he won every round. I can't picture a realistic scenario (weight, age etc) where Armstrong claws back more than half of those rounds, and he isn't knocking Robinson out either.
    I pick the Robinson who beat Angott, Shapiro, Zivic, Servo at or under 140, to stick and jab his way to winning enough rounds. And when Armstrong manages to get it to close quarters as he inevitably would, Robinson wouldn't be out of his depth. He can trade, and he's the superior puncher - power, variety, placement.
    He still wins IMO, but it's much closer than their actual fight.

    PS: this time Robinson doesn't take it easy on his hero.
     
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  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    At this weight and time?

    Armstrong, in a closer bout than you think.

    Of course Armstrong will pressure Robinson, and Robinson had not found his fully developed 'man strength' at this weight. However, I see Armstrong getting caught with uppercuts and bolos, though his underrated head movement mitigates quite a few.

    Armstrong Decision .
     
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Robinson would outbox him. In and out, side to side. Dancing to that big band music.
    Speed kills. Even if Ray didn't have the power to KO Hank(he did) he would put on a boxing show. Armstrong would be looking for him all night but trying to find that needled in a haystack can be a *****.
    There no carrying in this one
     
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  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Barney Ross and Lou Ambers were were master outboxers tbf. Didn't serve them well when Armstrong kicked their face in
     
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  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Neither were Sugar Ray Robinson. He had some gifts that were uncommon like speed/power as well as height and range. Lightening speed you can't prepare for. 136lbs 20 years old he was a blur. Long night for Henry who by the way had life and death with Amber's both fights. He got by him once by swallowing his own blood for most of the fight. Then Ambers beat him.
     
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  12. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    He went "life and death" with Ambers because he was penalized 4 rounds