I will concur that you make some very good points in this reply. We will have to agree to disagree but as you said, we've both voiced our opinions and responded accordingly. I've learned a bit and although I'm sure you haven't from me, hopefully you've enjoyed the discussion:good
This is where your argument falls to bits. The problem that most of those who dismiss the older fighters have is that they seem to assume that old boxers couldnt have been physically competed with modern fighters and generally (i assume you do this) they try to justify by reference to running records, swimming records etc. Things that can be legitimately measured. The thing that they dont realise or take into account is that unlike running, swimming, etc Boxing (in 1800s at least) was not a collection of local tough guys. It was a professional sport. In many ways it was more professional than it is now. These tough guys you speak of all trained harder than current fighters (or at least as hard). Even the guys you call tough guys and who have a 1-0 record on boxrec, had to train full time for fights with the best fighters in the world. You say punch clinch grapple. And by the way, that is a little innaccurate, it is more like punch, clinch, Grapple punch,grapple, punch, punch grapple, punch clinch break punch. To be honest, the only difference with the vast modern fighters (heavyweight) at least is that the Grapple isnt allowed to go on as long. When Ruiz goes into clinch mode, how many fighters actually landed long combinations on him? This is a product of rules not skills. And if anything it means that combination fighters like Robinson are going to struggle to deal with the clinching more than they other way around. In this case it is far worse because of the size difference. I think Robinson is going to be a bit surprised if he prepares his tactics based on avoiding Fitz, because this thread pits him against Corbett!:smooch