Sugar Ray Robinson vs King Carlos Monzon (160lbs 15 rounds)

It's true. He just wasn't paying attention when this was put to rest 3 years ago, same as Pat constantly does using the draw excuse to bring down Monzon. Fact of the matter is that ALL south american boxers, not just in Argentina, had many many draws because that was the scoring system there , you had to win by more than 2 points or the fight was a Draw

 

You seem to be a real stickler for resumes until it comes to guys you like. I guarantee you that if the shoe was on the other foot you wouldn't let me off the hook for defending a guy with a record like that, but I digress.
If you are matching them head to head then why invoke Monzon's unbeaten streak. Surely you'd be more focused on specific aspects such as defense, speed, power, footwork, combination punching, punch variation, chin etc. all of which would heavily favour Robinson.

 

How many draws does Eder Jofre have against 1-4 opponents (since this phenomenon is so pervasive in South America)?

 

if you dont know the rules then , you are going to hear about it, quit groveling. Plenty of info here on it , use your search button

 

Not sure what you mean. Illuminate

 

do your homework, its already been explained to you

 

Going the distance with a 1-4 fighter when you're experienced is embarrassing enough. In any case you were not present at those fights so for all you know the scoring may have been fair.

 

Page 4 post # 46 .. see the thing you dont know about Monzon that turning pro he was often the underdog , he paid his dues like no other, SRR was one the most touted popular fighters in the history of the sport turning pro. Using Draws to bring down Monzon just shows how little you know about him and scoring system used back then.. but thats OK .. there are hundreds of pages of info here. Use your search button !!

 

well? since you asked. 2 of Monzons draws were in BRAZIL against Severino . the Brazilian also has 9 draws on his resume and Monzon fought another Brazilian in Rio who has 4 draws. So again, all of Monzons draws were before his first title fight and not only in Argentina , It was common then., You see now ?, bringing up draws to diminish Monzon early in his career in that scoring system is reaching imo.

 

Hi Hank.
Agreed buddy, and going forward please refer to me as Mike, I feel that we know one and other, a bit better now.
chat soon.

 

That isn't the only argument I've used against him. You can refer to my back and forths with McVey.
What opponents did Monzon beat that were on par with Robinson?

 

I don't care all that much about the draws, I'm more concerned about who their against.
Severino ended his career as a 23-16 fighter. Is that who you're using as an excuse?
Do you have any evidence the scoring was not warranted?
Give me an example of a highly touted South American fighter with that many draws against below par competition.

 

you first seemed to make a big deal about the draws, and now you are backing away from it . I was only explaining something to you that you obviously weren't familiar with. Moving forward. When you post something like Monzon gets out classed every round is a rather flippant statement tbh. Sort of like you hate the man because he killed his wife so you post like you did about him as the other Monzon haters do here.. The fact of the matter is Monzon has a 4 inch reach on SRR and Monzon will be controlling the distance in this one as well., NOT SRR and Ray will be eating that ATG Jab all night .. this isnt a Lamotta fight or a fullmer fight for SRR. Like others have already posted SRR far superior lateral movement and speed is how he wins this fight, Because he aint winning it in the LONG game. which you have obviously completely missed in Monzons game and his ability to control the distance. This has already been done to death about Monzon , you either see what he is doing in the ring or you dont. I personally think Monzon takes a close decision because he is a tiche bigger and stronger than SRR and is cagey enough mid range and on the inside to survive what SRR has to offer . Its a 50 - 50 fight imo, but certainty not Monzon getting out classed every round. BUT to each his own

 

You seem to have a personal problem with me,that's fine, I couldn't give 2 ****s either way.

Why would Robinson be heavily favoured in the chin department? Please don't attempt to tell me how to evaluate fighters,I find I have been doing it to my own satisfaction for 60 years.

 

Both Monzon and Robinson were arseholes.Robinson beat his wife so badly she miscarried at least once.Several fighters hated his guts Ike Williams,Basilio,Fullmer,Wade to name 4.
Monzon went from being a pimp to a wife beater too.

I'm only concerned with their activities inside the ring.