Sugar Ray Robinson Vs Marvin Hagler

So Lamotta "troubled" Robinson by beating him once out of six fights despite a stone weight advantage and getting completely schooled and punched the **** out in their most significant fight?

Even guys who fighters trump easily would probably scrape one out of a six-fight series when competing two divisions above their opponent.

 

I would agree,,Jake really a 165 lb. fighter,,,,,,

 

You should have did a public poll.

Anyway - Robinson at his MW best beats any version of Hagler, he had better movement, hits harder with both hands, was a much faster puncher with singular shots from either hand as well as combination punches.... he had a slight height & reach advantage too, I dont see Hagler being able to outbox Ray from distance & if he goes into Hagler-Hearns mode I think Robinson more than holds his own with his blistering combinations & lethal KO power.
I`d fancy SRR vs any MW on both their best nights tbh, he was just the most dangerous overall fighter Ive ever seen on film.

 

Dangerous game, Robinson`s flurries would likely score more than Hagler`s both on damage done & the judges eyes + Ray packs a whallop with either hand, think of the right hand on Graziano & the left hook on Fulmer... those guys had very good chins (especially Fulmer) & Robbo took them out with ONE shot, neither beat the count... if anyone can KO Hagler its Robinson, especially if Marvin is charging like a bull in a china shop.

 

Your living on planet pluto if you think this would happen, Robinson was never taken out in 202 fights in a 25 yr career where he fought until age 45 or so & you think Hagler who was not a KO puncher takes him out ?

To each their own I suppose.

 

Because those 5 close fights were all when Ray was a WW vs a big MW in the early to mid 40s... there was a big time gap between their 5th & 6th fights & by that time Robinson had matured physically & was actually a MW (albeit still not as naturally big as Lamotta) & Robinson dominated the majority of the fight & TKO`d Lamotta.... this is the version of SRR that will be facing Hagler, not the young WW version that wasnt ready for the MW division.

 

Their most significant fight? You mean the final fight? The one that took place nearly 5 years after their last encounter? The one where LaMotta was nearly a walking corpse from the constant, ridiculous weight-draining? The one where immediately afterwards he went up in weight 15 pounds to Lt. Heavy just so he could compete? That one?

I'll go ahead and disagree that it was the most significant if you don't mind. Not to mention, even despite his physical troubles, he still managed to give Robinson a very good go of things in the early to mid rounds, even out-jabbing him for periods, oddly enough.

You're aware that every other fight of theirs was quite competitive, aren't you? That Robinson was the only one that was ever dropped in their encounters, and twice no less. That in fact at least one of the others has been argued as a win for LaMotta?

What is the sense in bringing up LaMotta's weight? What relevance does that have to the discussion? You claimed that Robinson was never troubled by LaMotta, never that he wouldn't have been troubled were LaMotta a smaller, and in that sense altogether different opponent.

Anything else you'd like to add?

 

Great post El Bujia, you countered his nonsense quite nicely.

 

Yeah, I did, didn't I?:think

Maybe I should start posting seriously more often.

 

The 'never troubled' him comment was asking for it itry, it has to be said

 

I'll take Hagler by a shade...Something like 51-49 if that makes any sense though 50-50 is probably more accurate. I've always felt that Hagler in his prime was the best MW head to head of all time. Not unbeatable of course but the best in my humble opinion. Whenever you have two great fighters such as Hagler and Robinson matched up it's extremely difficult to pick a clear winner but put the proverbial gun to my head and I'll pick Hagler.

 

I got to agree with this.

 

Yeah i agree, while i see Hagler winning i don't see him KOing SRR .

 

Tough call....great match up for whoever started the thread :good

The better fighter was Robinson no doubt but I voted Hagler as I think he would win in the trenches. It'd be very, very close either way though and I don't see either guy getting stopped in this one.

 

El, good post. Almost every one of their fights were nip and tuck.Each one close. In 1951 LaMotta was so weight drained for the bout. I remember
scuttlebut before the fight,that Jake had to lose more than 10 pounds to make the weight...Remember it well.in the actual fight LaMotta was more than holding his own, before his energy gave out,leaving him weakened and
Robinson sensing this posibility before the fight,came on strong,and we know
the results...LaMotta was really a "middleweight" in a Light Heavyweights
body. Good post El.:good