Sugar Ray Robinson VS Modern Welterweights

Mayweather is the only one of those that I have hesitations about him beating but PAC would be very tough too. I also think Tommy Hearns and SR Leonard would be great fights for Robinson

 

Sugar Ray by KO over every 1 of them. 3 weeks in a row.

 

Put this in General, classic should be classic

 

1 thing I'd critique about Robinson is that his defense wasn't all that

 

I rank mayweather very high and i think that he would school chavez but cmon mayweather beating robinson? You are crazy. And Pacquiao? Robinson would **** up both them

 

Robinson leaves all 3 on stretchers, dreaming off winning.

 

This is a funny thread. (bump). ..

 

My granddad said that when he was a boy during the 1940's, Sugar Ray was in his prime and Ray sometimes would get into a ring and let random guys off the street take swings at him to see if they could hit him. They never did.

 

I'm thinking SRR would beat them all. Too much of everything - speed, power, chin, ring IQ, work rate. He was just amazing even when well past his best.

 

The one reason some might beat Robinson is if they were allowed to fight at their in fight weight, instead of what used to be a real WW.
However, SRR likely could have carried a MW physique well even before his brief retirement.

 

Time has a way of making the oldies seem invincible.

Ray UD Floyd.
The few times Floyd was forced to fight hard -1 was his 1st @140, Corley had him bleeding-though he easily won.
Shane rocked him with 1 hard shot, hard to fathom that just because Shane couldn't not follow up, that the True Sugar couldn't have.
Cotto had him bleeding- meaning when he does get hit often by a strong fighter he busts up. Thanks to his near impenetrable defense, it was rarely revealed. That means Ray by mid rounds has Floyd nose trickling.

Ray had the ability to drop with a shot either inside or lunging and boy is that lunger a doozy! Floyd IMO proved that if Zab Judah was on equal footing speed wise for close to 1/2 the fight...I have to think Ray is on equal speed until it's a wrap!

Both can counter, are quick hand & foot. Both have chins, huge gas tanks and are thinkers who can box or brawl.
The difference for me is 2 things. 1st I think Floyd would get busted up before Ray & 2. Floyd has no 1-punch power, Ray does.
If Floyd plays counter, how am I to think Ray would always oblige? This could have pockets of trading mixed in with chess match style.
If Floyd plays aggressive he will get dropped. But I am sure he would rise.

If Ray plays counter...there will be long pockets of inactivity with as many as 5-7 toss up rounds, maybe 3-5 conclusive rounds out of 12.
If Ray goes aggressive, he forces Floyd to trade-this is the scenario where Floyd mostly likely has uncle Roger looking for a towel that isn't red to wipe him off.

Ray wins, gives a rematch because of too many rounds that could've gone either way. Rematch ends SD for Ray, but he is ok with it.
Floyd goes 0-2 against Ray.


Ray vs Floyd (1946-1951)
This one guy makes the difference and I will go to my grave with this perspective

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I don't think a 1950's Floyd would have had access to this Hispanic legend. He IMO alone solved the brittle hands of Floyd. Without him? Floyd's hand problems causes several losses as a result, Ray whoops his ass once and moves on.

 

Against Spence I think would play similar to his fights against Kid Gavilan or Randolph Turpin who actually split a pair. I can't say I know the style(s) of Tommy Bell or George Costner, so I admit I am looking at this racially. What black dudes did he fight back then? Since we can recognize a black style, Hispanic or European, then I suspect Spence holds his own, but it wont be like Lamotta where he would fight any black fighter more than once. Twice if he hears questionable outcome 1st time out.

I suspect Ray wins one and has a SD or even a Draw. Reason I given Spence a draw & not Floyd is because Spence's output has exceeded 1,000 punches in a fight. Floyd doesn't consider that a viable strategy because it leaves him susceptible to way too many counters.

Ray 1-0-1 over Spence.
Like many of the great black fighters in Sugar's era, 2 times is about as much as they will ever meet.