Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard, at 147

They did. And it was rubbish.

 

Leonard is the welterweight who was staggered and bullied around the ring by Duran. Leonard is the welterweight who looked baffled against Hearns, a fighter who was overdue for a move to middleweight. Robinson-Leonard would not be a close contest. Leonard would do the wide-eyed lateral movement retreat and dance all the way to a unanimous decision loss.

 

Yeah sure, as if Leonard were really a man

 

Please, let's not get carried away. Duran was already 29 years old with six wins at 147. He left his best years behind him at 135

 

There was a 3rd match, 9 years later when Duren was way passed his best, and Leonard won easily !

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:3939

 

I disagree (what else is new?). I think what I've seen of Robinson at his best (or near) is pretty much just as fast, even with the lesser amount of footage. The man had blazing combinations, with even more body and power in them than Leonard.

 

I agree people that say Leonard is much faster are blind. Leoanrd shoe shined more so he appeard to be faster. But when both sit on their punches there just as fast as the other.

 

Was he shot? Knowing you, he wouldn't be far away from it. 29 years old. That meant to be very old is it? Duran had around 70 fights under his belt, although at least 25 of them were among the worst opponents possible for a world class fighter reigning as a champion. I'm talking about his non-title bouts and some of the fights prior to becoming lightweight champion. Duran was still in his prime regarding his skills and right at his peak regarding experience thrown into the bargain. You are blind and biased. It's been said on here many times by virtually everyone.

Your comments are laughable.

 

Two can play that game. Hearns clearly left his best years behind him at 147 and 154. Hearns had only 3 fights at 160 prior to fighting Hagler.

See how it works? My thoughts on this aren't geniune. Just a great example of the utter nonsense you get into your head.

 

Duran looked as good as he ever had or ever would in the first Leonard and Palomino fights..I mean its not even really that hard to see.

 

Great matchup! I'm with those who picked Robinson by decision. :thumbsup

 

Robinson was in deep all through his welter career and lost once to a strong great top 10middleweight who was 160 lbs Jake Lamotta he was 40-0 before he lost for the 1st time then went on to win another 88 before another loss...Leonard had a total of 37 fights....Leonard was great...Robinson was greater.....SRR.....wins

 

I dont see why. I thought your comments were way off. How was Duran what you called him if he only had 6 fights at the weight?

He was a lightweight jumping two weight classes and beat Ray and when they had the rematch, Duran shed over 40 pounds, ten within the last 3 days. It's a fact that Duran was impaired going into the fight unless you want to call Randy Gordon a liar to his face. I wouldnt.

Leonard's runaway tactics wouldnt have otherwise fazed Duran. In fact, he used the same tactic on Roberto when Duran tried corning him along the ropes in the first round and he didnt seem to be fazed by it. I know because I saw the fight closer than you did.

Duran would've put more hurt on Ray and the result would have been the same as the first. You cant convince me otherwise because I've seen both in action and know Duran is the better fighter, even at welter!

 

Unquestionably they were both greats.

Leonard was great. Robinson was great, and for longer.

Does great-for-longer rank Robinson career achievements ahead of Leonards???...probably & certainly IMO yes.

Does this make Robinson greater than Leonard though??...not so sure.

 

No I dont. Tommy was much younger when he left the division. Why the poor boy was just developing, a growing boy badly in need of some muscle! Like Graziano said, "Tommy's a middleweight in a welterweight's body". That's why he was considered a freak at 147.

Why dont you know these things Robbi ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!! Must I educate you every time I come on here?!? I'm not going to be around forever you know!!!


I have seen Tommy at his frightening peak around the time he met Hagler, the third greatest fighter of all time. The shuler fight happens to be one of Tommy's best! He may have been better than he'd ever been in his career. he was so well muscled and conditioned. His power was probably even more thunderous than Mugabi's and in fact, I think Tommy would've ko'd the beast that night. He would've snuck that right hand on the button and John would take the count too. He'd beat the count but he'd fall back into the ropes unable to control his legs.

So somewhere in between the Duran and Shuler fights, Tommy had hit his peak and was probably unbeatable. Duran at 29 was definitely slowing down enough for Ray leonard to catch up with him.