Sugar Ray Robinson would have cut Greb to pieces

Darcy did not do the wrong thing at all, for him to have stayed home with no more Americans to come over to fight him with a war that at the time had no end in sight (hell even two months before the armistice there seemed no end in sight).... Darcy's family still needed him to make more good money and just imagine Les going from the money he was getting to the absolute pittance in comparison the army would have given him, he would have felt as if he was back where he started. To join the army with all this in mind would have looked absolutely as if his career ends here and never ever begins again. The stupid government never once mentions as far as I know that he would be looked after and given special jobs like going visiting the troops to give a morale boost... nope with Billy Hughes as prime minister it looks pretty sure that old Billy would want him sent to certain death in the trenches. We also cannot use hindsight here, if we read many of the letters soldiers sent home where many of these letters have young men in total despair and thinking they have zero hope of surviving the war unless they get seriously wounded, these were men who thought losing a limb was BEING LUCKY.

The Australian troops at this time were under total British control and the whole world knew they were the best shock troops of all and the Brits usually sent the Aussies in first and usually under the command of totally inept and often criminally negligent British generals... and let's face it, the Brits would rather see colonials dead than their own... that is simply a natural thing to do. I know Les Darcy wasn't the only one with a hard decision, he stated often he was happy to do his part but wanted to make enough money for his family to thrive, he also knew that if he got killed in the war his family were in dire trouble. In the end loyalty to ones country is very important but that is nothing compared to loyalty to ones family.

Some here may come up and say oh Darcy would have been kept well away from the front lines because of his status as a sports star but if you look at the facts you see a horrible and disgusting lack of regard for the great Aussie sports stars in the war. Albert "Tibby" Cotter was a rising superstar in Test Cricket... he was an amazingly fast bowler who had all English batsmen ducking for cover in fear of their life and Cotter was just getting to his prime when he joined the Australian Light Horse and he sacrificed his life for his mates at the famous battle of Beersheba. there were some other notable talents in Test and First Class cricket who were killed in the war and a look at the Test lineups of both England and Australia when Tests started back up in 1920 shows both teams were devastated... In the sport of Rugby LEAGUE there were so many of the cream of the competition wiped out during the war.. all the top clubs lost like half of their team to the war. I am sure the Australian Rules Football clubs in Victoria suffered the same fate... all the stars were simply treated just like everyone else..... CANNON FODDER. No I do not see world war one as any kind of sane career choice.... do you ?... does anyone ? As Chuck already stated the numbers of dead I will also add that of all the countries on the allied side of the war, Australia lost the most men on average in a per capita basis then any other country.... the difference is actually gobsmacking...... I will not go and use a calculator because this is a very well known fact.

 

I also must state that the day Darcy left Australia he was still under age 21 and therefore he didn't actually do anything illegal.... glad to have cleared this up.

(the age limit was 21) Also there was a referendum coming, nobody expected the public to actually win over Hughes but the vote was a resounding NO !!!!!!/.... Hughes was so furious he simply ordered a second referendum and he was once again told where he could stick his conscription.... up his date..... yet fact is that despite no conscription young men had ZERO choice but to go to war because they would be persecuted without mercy for the rest of their lives if they didn't...... The world is many many many things but what it IS'NT and never will be.... ever..... is FAIR.

 

Yeah I know and he would have knocked Chip out again but then what ????/... It wouldn't matter because he would have had to go die in the Western front

 

Your obvious hatred of Darcy has me in a quandary.. who do you hate more ??? Dempsey or Darcy....... you now expect Darcy, 21 years old to know how to manage himself ? what he should have done without a close advisor he could trust ?... and as for him joining the Australian Army so he could join that long long list of Australian sports stars to die on the front lines or like Albert Tibby Cotter the great fast bowler who died in the famous Light Horse charge at Beersheba... You know the real reason why he didn't... he would have thought his career finished forever as at this time there was no end in sight for the war... many thought it would go on for a decade or two and the real reason why Darcy was snubbed in america was all to do with the war and Billy Hughes and Wilson and the influence they had on state governors and everyone else, I have stated this fact over and over and over and all you ever do is try to make Darcy look like scum... but that is YOU that you see... it's your reflection.

 

Besides.... Robinson still better than Greb.

 

Obviously the only history you have any sort of clue on is a wee bit about Greb and Dempsey i.e. boxing but your knowledge of the first world war era outside of boxing is minimal, you just proved how dumb and stupid you really are woman basher. "minor" Australian politicians ????????? Billy Hughes ? minor....... indeed you are a simpleton when it comes to history... Hughes was one of the most influential politicians of the entire period and he had a lot of influence over Woodrow Wilson, did you know dumb dumb that when America entered the western front Black Jack Pershing (you may not know him cos he wasn't a boxer but he was your top yank general) was told that to begin with he was to take orders from Billy Hughes's top general, General John Monash (indeed in a war with so many incompetent generals it is a relief to know that Australia provided the greatest general of the entire war and that was Monash who was later to become known as the father of modern warfare)... Black Jack protested that Americans don't get told what to do by anyone and he complained to president Wilson who wrote back and told Pershing he could be replaced but Monash could not be and that he had a lot to learn and so did his raw inexperienced troops and that Monash was the best.......... So Pershing was under Australian command to start with... mainly because plans were written up for a great offensive battle and the Americans were needed to play a part... now Monash also had French and Brits and all the other allies in these plans..... basically without teaching you more history the Americans were blooded under an AUSSIE... yes the Americans did get to control their destiny for much of the war after this but you were lucky enough to be under the equivalent of the great John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough or Napoleon or a Prince Eugene of Savoy (you may never have even heard of two of them, son if you think you know a tenth about world history as I do then you are delusional and in need of drugs).


I haven't time to say more except to say there was no conspiracy theory I put up before it is well known fact that every step Darcy made in America he was blocked and that O'Sullivan bloke he came over with was the first one to be bought off to the other side, your smugness, your arrogance, your bullying tactics (you learned or honed over your ex wife and girlfriends no doubt and you better not treat your boy that way because he will grow up and take it out on you). ........... let's see now... oh yeah.. your bullying tactics and arrogance and smugness are what makes you so limited in all around knowledge because we all know that those who think they know everything already simply sit on their backsides and actually know ****** all. The average Australian knows far more about the 1st world war than you do.... because the war was far more traumatic to this nation, yours only came in at the very end but we all thank the yanks for doing so anyway... but to you Mr dumb dumb smuggo Harry Greb was far more important than some little war eh....... no get lost and go read up on real history for a change

 

Mick King was far more than a journeyman, no not one of the greats but he did for a short time hold the same belt Darcy won at a later date..... he either beat McGoorty or Jeff Smith for that but I think that may have been highly controversial but just the same Mick King went the full 20 round distance with some of the great fighters of the time. When he started fighting in the states he was not the same fighter he was... he fought Les Darcy twice and copped terrible beatings even though they were very close friends and once beaten by Les Darcy very few fighters came out better fighters then they were before.... fighting the greatest fighter of your weight class can do that to a fighter.... You seem to know a lot more than INCOMPETON does about this.

You are right that Darcy didn't know what he was doing and Jack Kearns had told him that he would need a great manager if he was to go to the states... now Kearns wanted to sign Darcy up to his stable more than any other fighter he ever saw. Darcy though had already had that snake Hugh D. McIntosh in his ear telling him that Kearns was a snake and could never be trusted so poor young Darcy took him literally and he refused to go back to America with Kearns... oh how I wish he had, he would have made Kearns millions and himself a whole lot of money, and he would have conquered the entire boxing world and we would have got to see Darcy fight Greb often enough and I for one am pretty sure he would have come out on top of Greb more often than not and I would not be needed to keep his name from being forgotten.... as he would be one of the biggest heroes in this forum and regarded as a top ten p4p fighter of all time... the lad would have carried all before him because he was as close to the most perfect fighting machine ever born, huge big boned middleweight, stronger than every other fighter on the planet just like Fitzsimmons had been and that from being a blacksmith his muscles were hard as steel and everyone said so... one opponent said it was like fighting a gorilla with freakishly long reach, best chin in the business, great two fisted power, great speed, he was at least as fast as Greb, a lot stronger and he could hit thirty times harder.... Kearns was not perfect but he was the only option Darcy had to get anywhere in the States which was a boxing country that wanted only Americans to hold world titles Darcy needed a Kearns.... You are right Mr Johnston, he was far too young and inexperienced to go it totally alone in America and for the life of me I cannot understand why there wasn't at least one more like Kearns who would help the kid.