Sugar Ray Robinson would have cut Greb to pieces

man u are always right like a narccasist and everybody is wrong ,your the perfect human being ...i never seen anything like you

 

You said you read my book so you should know. There were articles about Greb's eye problems during his life discussing his eye problem. He tried to hide this but it was known in some circles. For instance Tiger Flowers' manager is mentioned discussing it in 1925 or early 1926. Immediately after Greb died his personal physician stated to the press that he had been blinded in one eye by Norfolk and that he decided to have the dead eye removed after the third Flowers fight to prevent sympathetic opthalmia which is a condition whereby the blindness of a damaged eye can spread to a good eye causing total blindness. This is a real risk that Greb faced. I interviewed an eye specialist who specialized in injuries like this that i was referred to by dr. Margaret Goodman. Grebs family were upset that Greb's secret had been revealed by the dr. As greb had done everything he could to hide the condition. The story was also backed up by those close to greb like jack white and leo caghil. Some have seized upon red masons denial that greb was blind in one eye as evidence to the contrary but it should be remembered that greb was not being managed by mason when he was blinded by norfolk and after their ugly split in 1920 its unlikely greb would have confided in mason as he would have known mason was very vindictive and willing to use such knowledge against greb. It was was a smart move on his part as when they split again in 1926 mason used every piece of leverage he could against greb. You can see in several photos, even some taken as early as 1922 that Greb's dead eye started to "drift" giving him a lazy eye appearance. This is very common with people who have a detached retina.

 

I imagine half the fighters around then were partially blind or going blind.
I expect a lot of them would have wanted to keep it a secret.
Incredible really when you think about it, and sad.

 

Oh boo hoo. Some ****ing moron insults me and im supposed to pretend that it took me all day to put that together to make him feel better about his childish comment? Sorry to burst your bubble and his. If it seems like im always right maybe its because im arguing with a brain dead broken record who has two subjects he cares to discuss Darcy and Greb, and the only reason he wants to discuss Greb is because he thinks by saying that Robinson would cut Greb to pieces that it hurts me. That appears to have backfired on him. Just like his moronic post about the best fighters from every country where nobody picked darcy (what he was hoping for) and he just had to say something. As if anyone here doesnt already know this guy prays to his les darcy bobble head every night before he pulls his les darcy bed sheets over his les darcy jammies and turns of his les darcy nightlight.

Dont mistake me not giving two ****s about you or greg as being a narcissist. I just dont give two ****s about you.

 

Mike Gibbons went partially blind. Pete Herman went blind. Sam Langford. Kid Norfolk was blind in one eye. There were a bunch.

 

Yeah. John Henry Lewis a few years later, etc.
Also we can extrapolate from the number of boxers in recent years who have had eye surgery, most for detached retina, (again many of them go unrecorded by the media, keeping it quiet), and assume those guys back in the 1920s fighting with little thumbed gloves - hundreds of rounds, hundreds of fights in some cases - are going to be picking up the same injuries and more so.
Surgery just didn't exist back then, and even when it became possible most fighters were too busy fighting to earn a living to take a break to have their eyes fixed.

 

Whats even more sad is all the ones who went nuts. Its remarkable how many of Grebs opponents alone suffered serious mental problems later on due no doubt to the blows they took.

 

Gypsy Joe Harris and Joe Frazier would be two more current examples.

 

No, I never said I read your book! I'm sure it's a fine piece of work, and researched like no other boxing book (and I say this in a non-sarcasitic way!)... but I haven't read it. So could you please show me, where I say that I have.

Anyway, what I would like to know, is when the general public was first made aware, that Greb had been completely blind in one eye for the last 5 years of his career. I mean, there must have been a time, when Greb was the subject of a newspaper article, where this was revealed. So when did fight fans first become aware of this? Immediately after his death, 2 years later, 5 years later... when did it become common knowledge? I would appreciate a link to a newspaper story, where this is mentioned.