Sugar Ray Seales

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was on ABC-TV quite alot during 1971 and 1972 as one of the best
    U.S. Amateur boxers.

    Fought many Amateur dual-boxing meets.
    At age 19;
    Won the 1971 National A.A.U. (139 lb.) Lt. Welterweight title.
    At age 20;
    Won the 1972 National Golden Gloves (139 lb.) Lt. Welterweight Title
    Won the 1972 Olympics (139 lb.) Lt. Welterweight Title.

    Was labeled a 'can't miss prospect' by ABC-TV.
     
  2. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i like him better in 'judge joe brown':D
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    He was a good fighter, with nice bouncey Laguna\marcel-esque movement and solid skills.Just unlucky to mostly fight a crop of contenders a bit better than him.hard to fight like that against precision straight punchers with long arms like hagler and kalule.Was doing ok against Minter, until Alan turned it into a 126 Pacman-esque herky kerky slopfest and caught him with his underrated straight left.
     
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I knew him back in the mid-80's when I fought out of the Tacoma Boy's Club. He hung around the gym a lot, wanting to be a part of whatever was going on, but the trainers that ran the gym clearly didn't want him around.

    He had bad cataracts in each eye and was selling Amway products to make ends meet. Sad story.
     
  5. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was not promoted properly. Being the only Gold Medalist off of the 1972 US Olympic Boxing Squad should have garnered him at least the kind of economic payoff that failed heavyweight teammate Bobick somehow managed to accrue, but Seales was not emphasized for his exploits at Munich. His legacy seems to largely be how that error was rectified for his 1976 US Olympic successors.

    That first professional loss was to Hagler at the WNAC-TV studio in Boston. Why the hell didn't that match take place in Seattle or Tacoma? Seales should have been the bigger attraction in August 1974, yet he's the one going onto the other guy's home turf? Taking on Minter in London also makes no sense. Again, Seales was a Gold Medalist, while Alan took Bronze at Munich. Seales didn't need to take such a risk on the road like that. Ditto for Kalule in Copenhagen. As for the disastrous rebound attempt from Minter against Ronnie Harris, they shouldn't have had to fight one another to each get a crack at the middleweight title.

    It sure would have been interesting to see Monzon defend against a southpaw, like Minter, Seales, Harris, Kalule or Hagler. One of the really intriguing things about the reign of King Carlos is that all his title opponents were orthodox, despite the profusion of southpaw middleweights out and about as his career started winding down. (Did Monzon get out when he did in part to avoid southpaw opposition?)

    Anyhow, with first rate handling, Seales may have been able to attain a shot at Monzon with an undefeated record, getting Carlos into the States for a lucrative defense. He did snag the NABF and USBA MW Titles, and beat Doug Demmings over the championship distance, yet Licata's management succeeded where his failed at reaching Monzon.
     
  6. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He had eye trouble early on,he was a very good fighter
     
  7. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    That Seales Hagler fight had to have been filmed. I wish it would surface.
     
  8. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Back in 1974, WNAC-TV was Channel 7 in Boston. The call letters were changed to WNEV in May 1982, then to WHDH in 1990. Hagler-Seales I, with a screaming studio audience of 225 Hagler partisans paying ticket prices averaging $15, nailed down 25% of the television audience. I don't understand the intricacies of the station ownership changes and affiliation switches over the years, but I would imagine that Hagler-Seales I is the property of Boston's WHDH-TV, Channel 7. It was a major and unique event at the time in New England, and with Ali's return to the HW summit in Kinshasa, boxing's revival was fully assured. There's no way that fight doesn't exist on tape, and likely in pristine condition. It wasn't weekly Candlepin Bowling or kid's programming, something more liable to being recorded over. However, I don't recall even seeing footage of that bout during the massive buildup to their rubber match. So far as I can determine, it only aired live.
     
  9. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Seales was another 'can't miss prospect'.
    Many amateur fights on ABC-TV with Howard Cosell.

    Was undefeated, and his 'stupid' managers brought him into fight
    Marvin Hagler in Boston,,, just flat out foolish.

    I saw Ray on TV (WNEW Channel 5) in New York, when he fought
    Eugene 'Cyclone' Hart.
    Hart was just too strong, and kept throwing those big bomb hooks all night.
    Ray lost the decision, and then his management went after the short quick money.

    Ray Seales really was a 154 lb. (Light Middleweight). But unfortunately, there were
    no TV fights at that weight, at that time.