Sulaiman sees difficulties splitting the HW division in 2

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    The WBC is looking into creating a Super Heavyweight division, but besides getting a lot of resistance from fans, fighters, press and historians alike and it still isn't clear where the cut should end up.
    That last reason is understandable, because setting it too low would cause a pretty weak HW division and too high would lead to an empty and weak SHW one. Plus making it very easy for "Super Heavies" to cut weight for the weigh-in, like happens in every other division already.

    Say if they put the cut at 235lbs, that would mean that almost every current 250lbs-er would be able to drain down enough to make the weight anyway, effectively turning SHW in the Overweight division.

    According to the WBC they're looking into it for the "safety of the fighters" (read having another division to milk fees from), but history had already shown that skill just as often trumps size and weight at the top of the foodchain as the other way round.
     
  2. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    well that's the pot calling the kettle black!
    the federations have split boxing into 4 'pieces' per division, but he's concerned about creating a new division
    I thought he'd be all for it, since it creates another belt to cash in on
     
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    He is actually all for it, but the issues the WBC faces not to turn it into a total farce and being able to sell it to the public, press and fighters are quite extensive.
     
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  4. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    The WBC are utterly rancid
     
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  5. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Thought he was talking about splitting HW into the Wilder division and the Everyone Else division. In which case, I'd say he's already done it.

    Hell, just make the limit a pound above Wilder's average fight weight and problem sorted.
     
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  6. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    when were the WBC ever worried about a total farce ? Wilder and his extensive voluntary defences against french pastry chefs/polish football hooligans being one of many examples.
     
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  7. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    If we were building from scratch, the smarter move was to have a 190 and 210 weight class, then leave the unlimited as "heavyweight".

    Nobody under 210 bothers making a living at heavyweight anyways, so there's already a functional minimum in place. It's pretty dumb there's only 2 weight classes to cover everyone over 175 lbs while there's weight classes for the small guys every 3-4 lbs.
     
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  8. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    There are no top fighters under 210 pounds anymore. The weight class structure is ridiculous, its no different from following 1950's nutritional guidelines. :nonono

    Boxing itself should just adjust the HW division starting point at 215 at least. Realistically it should be 225 in what's still small.

    You literally have 90% of HW fighters above the 225 pound mark and if Wilder and Povetkin weren't around all the top 10 guys would be over 225.

    How many fighters under 220 do you really think boxing is going to get? Total waste of a weight class that you can expand with in some way or other.
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    I guess its really going to happen then.
    The WBC will slowly throw the idea out there from time to time and eventually just do it.
    And its a safe bet that at least one other sanctioning body would follow.

    So, at any given moment we would have at least 70(best case scenario) "world champions".
     
  10. kirk

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    What a joke. This is a transparent (greed) useless (smaller fighters will just move up to follow the money and prestige at heavy anyways) damaging (boxing doesnt need more weights and champions) and cringeworthy.
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly. That's the double edged sword of boxing's history. It's cool that some weight classes have been around forever, but the weight class structure is outdated on the higher end.

    When these were drawn up, 175 lb heavyweights were common, and 210 was massive.

    Then the day came when 190-200 was common, and 225 was massive. Eventually, that led to the Cruiserweight division being invented. There was no need before because there wasn't enough talent over 175 to fill 2 divisions. Heavy weight was enough.

    Today, theres more guys than ever over 175 that can box. 225+ heavyweights are common. It's insane that we only have two weight classes to cover every athlete over 175 pounds, and a lot of guys are hurt by it. We already see natural 190 guys draining like crazy to make 175 until they can't take it anymore because the Cruisers are commonly draining from 210.
     
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  12. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Restructuring would be the best solution anyway.
    The UFC weightclass system is much better, with 9 weightclasses, Welter at 170, Middleweight at 185 and Light Heavy at 205 and ending with Heavy all above.
    There can be inbetween classes for sure, but welter 23lbs, Middle 25lbs and LHW 30lbs higher, it's a lot more modern there.
     
  13. Kapparino

    Kapparino EDDIE HEARN PROTECTION UNIT Full Member

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    Don't split the division. I love the massive weight differences we see in heavyweight fights.
    I watch weekly David Haye vs Nikolat Valuev
     
  14. lucky luke

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    Lol, if you can be a five division champ, more classes is not required. Rearrange the limits from the bottom up instead.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    But surely the cruiserweights are actually the 200 - 220 pounds dried out to 200 or 199 pounds.

    It's cruiserweight that needs to be split, not heavyweight.