Sulaiman should remain non-partisan

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JacK Rauber, Mar 22, 2018.


  1. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/3/...-golovkin-is-just-confused-over-canelo-issues

    The more Sulaiman talks the more he discredits his organization. He is now making it sound like GGG is somehow the guilty party because he has concerns about Canelo failing two drug tests. What the boxing organizations have been accused of are being proven true by their responses to the two drug failures by Canelo. They favor certain fighters over others due to these fighters having the ability to bring more money to boxing.

    VADA is in place for one reason and one reason only, and that is to assure the public and the fighters that everything is fair and on the up and up. They should be 100% independent. It is imperative that VADA state in no uncertain terms exactly where things stand regarding the status of Canelo's drug test failures. They should not tell us next week or even tomorrow. People seem to think this is like a crime lab where it often times takes weeks to confirm the results of a test. VADA, unlike crime labs, does not have thousands of other tests for various cases they are running, thus delaying results. VADA is there for one reason! Tell us where things stand today or run the risk of appearing to be tied to the boxing organizations that promote the fights. Nothing is more important than telling the public what their ruling is and why.

    Do it today!
     
  2. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have a good point, but are directing it at the wrong entity. Because Boxing is decentralized, there is nothing for VADA to do as they have no POWER. VADA reports their findings to NSAC/WBC. The NSAC/WBC has the sole power to sanction and ban their athletes. It is up to NSAC/WBC to do something about it.

    Now in a sport with a centralized sanctioning body like cycling, cycling's sanctioing body the UCI has made an agreement to fall under the power of WADA's protocol. Thus WADA can issue TUEs and hand down doping sanctions. In contrast, in boxing with its absence of a central sanctioning body, VADA has to be contracted per fight per each individual sanctioning body, like CA, NV, or NY.

    Thus your beef is with why NSAC is taking ten years to track down this tainted cow...
     
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  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Has a governing body ever come out in support of a failed test quite like this?

    I don't mean that in an inflammatory way, it's a genuine question
     
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  4. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Something funny about this in itself,WBC are so corrupt it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’ve used this just to get Canelo back onside,in other words it’s ok Canelo we got your back on this so long as you tow the line with us from now on.
    Probably not the case but this is what happens when everything GB touches turns to s***,you don’t know if you can believe in anything from em ever again?
     
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  5. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I'm just floored by how this is being handled. If you go to WADA, the World Anti-Doping Agency and do a search there is nothing in their records about Alvarez or boxing regarding this violation by Canelo. This is by far the biggest cause celebre on their hands at the moment and they don't even have it in a searchable database?! It makes the whole thing seem like a sham.
     
  6. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    You may be right. But shouldn't they explain to the public what their findings mean? I think they should and put this whole thing to rest.
     
  7. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    It's a good question because it is the right question.
     
  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As I wrote, WADA has nothing to do downward to Boxing in general. VADA on principle follows the WADA Code to a tee. However regardless of this agency or that agency, it comes down to who has the power to sanction athletes. And because Boxing is stuck in the dark ages w/o a centralized sanctioning body that can hand down bans, it is down to the individual fights on a per fight basis. That means if the fight is in Las Vegas, then NSAC has the power. If it is in the UK, then UKAD has the power. And again if its in California then, CSAC has that power.

    Until Boxing joins the world in high level sports, it will continue to be a corrupt disgrace and a free for all.
     
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  9. JacK Rauber

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    It was mentioned elsewhere the levels of clenbuterol found in Canelo's blood test, somewhere in the area of 600-800 picograms. Can anyone tell me where they saw this and send a link? Thank you.
     
  10. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's in the a few places, one the original print screened GP statement that someone then converted units to picograms. Then its also in the actual lab directors quotes from another article. Google it for exact original units. I've linked to them in previous posts but I don't remember where but after so many posts lol needle in a haystack.
     
  11. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How do you think the WBC sanctions Stiverne vs Austin ...

    The WBC is crooked...
     
  12. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    Very thing that sprung to my mind.
     
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  13. JacK Rauber

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    Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping, says WADA

    'This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing'

    Alberto Contador's lawyers will need to re-think their Tour de France doping defence. A WADA official reminded them that an athlete with any amount of the drug Clenbuterol is considered positive.

    "Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not doping," WADA's Christiane Ayotte told the New York Times. "This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing."

    Ayotte runs the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) lab outside of Montreal. She commented on the recent cases of athletes testing positive for small amounts of Clenbuterol. The drug helps breathing and weight loss.

    Recent cases:
    - China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms
    - Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms
    - Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms
    - Germany's Dimitrij Ovtcharov: 75 picograms
    - Mexico's Saul "Canelo" Alvarez: 600-800 piocgrams

    Cyclists Li and Colò both received suspensions from their federations. Germany acquitted table tennis player Ovtcharov, but WADA has since appealed the decision. All of the athletes argued that the Clenbuterol came from eating contaminated beef.

    The WADA lists Clenbuterol as a banned substance regardless of how it was ingested. Contador maintains his innocence and claims that the beef that his Astana team bought in Irún, Spain, caused the positive result.

    Link: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/66...says-WADA.aspx
     
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  14. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    After the super strong stance the WBC held in the fallout to both Povetkin and Ortiz failing tests when due to face Wilder i was hoping they would atleast, if even meekly, swing the same way this time. But i guess not.
     
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  15. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Conclusion: Saul "Clenelo" Alvarez is a 100% confirmed PED cheat.
     
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