Sullivan Barrera is Andre Ward hardest fight of his career (more details)

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Although Barrera record shows 12/17 KOs (71%), he changed lately his last 6 opponents were stopped by KO which shows this Cuban has been Americanized & fully understands the value of a KO :smoke

    Can he KO Ward?

    Although Ward is faster, Sullivan has the physical & technical capabilities to time him & KO him as he is reaching for a clinch. His reach advantage will all allow him to reduce Ward speed advantage. Sullivan technical capability is not that of a typical prospect he has what it takes to go there & give Andre Ward the hardest fight of his life. Andre Ward will not be able to clinch or muscle this man, this will be a true test & perfect first fight at 175 :think

    Andre Ward was very intelligent in staying at 168 as long as possible, which is an admirable trait. People forget that Andre Ward was an 18yrs old Light heavyweight Amateur & he went into the pros & dropped in weight class (ala Hagler & Hopkins). Its not just size its the mental advantage of fighting smaller guys, which improves the chin (again Hopkins & Hagler)

    Sullivan Barrera will test Ward at 175
     
  2. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    Nah.

    You think Andre hasn't already thought about all that?

    Now this is boxing and maybe Barrera is the next Ali, but from the couple of times I've seen him, he's not.

    That said, as Ward fan, better for him (or anybody) to fight Barrera now than 5 years from now.
     
  3. Beatle

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    :lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl

    That is awesome... you're a comic.

    But back to this joke of a fight. Barrera has fought nothing but bums who had already been knocked out by other opponents, except for Karo Murat, a B-level fighter who had long lost the desire to be a pro boxer.

    Barrera is nothing short of a cherrypick by Andre "Sob" Ward (he's always sobbing about something). Andre has not been in a serious fight since 2011 (against Carl Froch). He has obviously decided to milk his Super Six victory to just fight cherrypicked opponents until an early retirement. He's gonna retire undefeated, because he knows who can beat him (Lucian Bute, George Groves, James DeGale, Sergey Kovalev) and he's just gonna continue ducking those guys and preserve his precious "0". He's basically a light-heavyweight version of Mayweather.

    And no matter what you think of all that, you know for a fact that a Cuban fighter has to knock an American fighter out to get a draw in the U.S. :deal
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    And here's all the re****s with their he's fought nothing but bums bull****. Barrera is as solid opponent as Ward could face, he's bigger stronger and in all likelihood hits harder than all of Ward's previous opponents. Barrera has a very good chance at beating Ward and by KO. Everything El Tirado said is spot on.
     
  5. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I respect Ward for taking the Barrera fight, but I saw Barrera's fight against Lacey. I wasn't impressed. I think Gonzalez is the better fighter out of Cuba.

    Still, Barrera is a top 10-15 LHW. I've seen some rate him as high as 10.

    He's a question mark as to what kind of work he'll give Ward. Although he has the drive, I just don't think the talent is there. A solid win if Ward is victorious.

    I have strong doubts he can KO Ward. He went rounds with Lacey
     
  6. Beatle

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    Okey, so Ward could fight me too. I'm undefeated and have no meaningful wins, just like Sullivan Barrera. Barrera's best win is against Karo Murat, who also has no meaningful wins. So we're all on the same boat here!

    I have beaten up several homeless guys down in the Moscow subway, so there really is little difference between me and Barrera. Why is Ward ducking me? Is he a racist?
     
  7. Beatle

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    The reason you weren't impressed is that Barrera needs to fight on the outside, and has no valid inside game. Andre Ward will get inside on him, crowd him, and knock him out early. This fight is not serious.
     
  8. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think you're going too far in the other direction. Ward deserves credit for taking a clear top LHW as his second fight in the division. Now, I don't think Barrera will give him much problems, but Ward does deserve credit.

    I mean do you expect Ward to take on Beterbiev, Fonfara, or Shabranskyy as his second fight in the division? Hell, give him at least a modicum of credit for not fighting a complete bum. Barrera is at the very least a top 15 LHW.
     
  9. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Don't forget to give Ward the proper credit when he dominates Barrera. :hey
     
  10. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How could anyone flaunt such ignorance by claiming either is stronger than the other. Are some of you so clueless that you contribute ones weight with their actual strength, about the most ignorant thing one can do
     
  11. Beatle

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    So it's bad if Ward, a LHW olympic gold medalist, undefeated and one of the best P4P fighters in the world, fights a guy like Shabransky, whose only meaningful win is a close decision over Yuneski Gonzales?

    So why aren't you complaining that Barrera, an inexperienced prospect, is fighting no less than Andre Ward in his first serious pro fight? Don't you think it's much too early for this fight to happen?
     
  12. Selina

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    Relatively speaking, NO. If he is considered top #10 P4P. If 160 pounder is expected to move 8 pounds to 168 and fight the champion on his first fight, Ward should be expected the same, especially if trolls are rating Ward higher than fans in general.

     
  13. Beterbiev

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    Notice how long Ward stalled fight in first place

    He will do same after this fight

    He never wants to fight Kovalev


    Tune up, stall, tune up, stall, fight he know will get turned down, stall, another fight he know will get turn down, stall, Barrera, stall, injury, stall (checks internet to see if Kovalev has moved up yet) stall....


    HBO 3 fight deal should have been Beterbiev, Kovalev then either one of them again within 2 year
     
  14. CST80

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    Ah you're one of those guys that needs an opponent to have a ton of wins over top tier opposition before you're willing to even consider them a threat right? Well what had Rigo done to prove he was capable of beating Donaire, what had Lara done to prove he was capable of beating Williams, what had Yunieski done to prove he was capable of almost beating Pascal, what had Ortiz done to prove he was capable of beating Jennings?

    Barrera demolished Murat, that's big difference from his other two losses, he looked pretty good against Hopkins for about the first 3 or 4 rounds until he got figured out and the old man took him to school and his one previous stoppage loss was against Cleverly which was utter horse****, Cleverly's corner had literally just told Nathan don't even try for the KO, he isn't going anywhere, and that's when the Brit doctor stepped in to wave it off in one of the worst British stoppages I've ever seen. Murat had never been down in his career and was very durable, Barrera dropped him and made quick work of him stopping him in 5. As far as the lack of KO's for Barrera most of his KO's come around the 6th to 8th round, all of his UD's were 6 rounds or under.

    As far as Ward goes, other than Froch and Kessler what's his best win? Dawson right? That's old news to Sullivan he whipped Dawson's ass 15 years ago 21-11 in the amateurs.
     
  15. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Amateurs don't matter in the pros. If they did, people wouldn't be so dismissive of Korobov.

    The thing is Ward is the one moving up, not Barrera. Yes, if Ward was an established LHW and fought Barrera, you'd have something to your argument. I don't even think Ward is ranked at LHW (other than BoxRec, which I don't pay any attention to their rankings).

    In essence, you have a unranked LHW fighting a LHW prospect if you really want to go that deep.

    Ward's last meaningful win was Dawson like, what, 4 years ago? I think Ward's position P4P is not at all conclusive.