Sullivan fight of the week Goss vs Sullivan

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  1. mcvey

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    Well you were attempting to be.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Because this happened after the list was composed.
    The point of these threads is to go into that in more detail.

    Obviously we have only got as far as Goss and Ryan so far.

    Lets look at Killrain for one example.

    He defeated George Godfrey twice, once before Sullivan beat him, and once after. The second time Godfrey was coming off back to back wins over Jack Ashton, Patsy Cardiff and Denver Ed Smith.
     
  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jackson wasn't listed, he was unknown in America and still resided in Australia. Same applies to Slavin.
    It's a pretty good list. Godfrey is the main missing one,
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I often think that with this era, and indeed Jeffries era, the lack of rankings aided past prime name fighters.

    They just had to prove that they were still competitive with the contenders, and people would clamor for the champion to fight them.

    We were mercifully sparred Jeffreis Sharkey III.

    That was Munro's greatest career accomplishment!
     
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  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great observation! Helped Jacj Johnson too.
    Billy Wilson was another decent contender, the 1880-88 were not that awful bad, just that 1890-00 were really strong, Corbett, Jackson, Slavin, Goddard, Ed Smith, Maher, Choynski, Fitz, Sharkey, Ruhlin, Armstrong, Childs, Godfrey, McCoy, Jeffries...
     
  6. Boilermaker

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    Ironically, if Jeffries Sharkey III had taken place, Jeffries probably would have won by KO and enhanced his legacy a fair bit.
     
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  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In truth, even Sullivans top opponents pre '87 did not want to fight him, Burke-a decent fighter- wanted to fight everybody, bar John L, ditto Clow, Killen avoided him, he beat Herald, Mitchell, Cardiff, McCaffrey, Slade, Ryan, Goss, Elliott, Donaldson, Dalton...just about the pick of them. From then on McAulliffe and Kilrain surfaced and afterwards the Aussie brigade, I think in 1892 any of Jackson, Slavin, Goddard, Smith or Maher might beat him. Fitz or Choynski too. Jackson for sure, Slavin or Goddard would come at Sullivan, they might get caught. Maher could probably knock him out, no one else. Smith would be Corbett-lite, mightn't succeed, Fitz would probably trap him, Choynski's whiskers might let him down, just my two cents. But remember Sullivan of 1892 was Tyson of the McBride fight, Sullivan of the Ryan 1882 fight was closer to Tyson v Berbick.
     
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  8. BCS8

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    How did Ortiz do against these two?
     
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  9. janitor

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    Failed the drugs test!
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    Had I know for sure who you were talking about ( I mean there are a few middles ) at the top of the heavyweight division in the 1880's I would have framed it in a UK context, and believe there a lot of Rah / toff's in that neck of the woods.
     
  11. janitor

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    Joking aside, probably pretty well under gloved rules.

    Sullivan's early fights were against bare knuckle specialists (whatever the rules), and it is only in the first year of his reign, that he starts to encounter other Queensbury specialists!
     
  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Sullivan drew the color line.

    His bareknuckle fight with Goss was starting to heat up nicely, but police intervened and arrested them both, which was how Ortiz got deported to Cuba.
     
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  13. janitor

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    Interestingly Sullivan did not draw the color line early in his career. His first title defense was scheduled to be against a black opponent, who did not turn up, forcing Sullivan to look for a substitute.
     
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