Sullivan fight of the week Sullivan Burke

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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  2. janitor

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    The point is not that Sullivan's opponents were better than the contenders who came in the era after them.

    They probably weren't.

    The point is that they obviously wouldn't have had been an easy assignment for them.

    Once you accept that, Sullivan's dominance becomes quite staggering!
     
  3. Mendoza

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    I get what you're saying, but the fighters of the 1890's in Fitz, Corbett, Maher, and company I think beat Sullivan's competition ( 1880's ) in many cases more comfortably than he did.

    Taking Sullivan out of the picture, was there anyone heads and shoulders above the pack that he fought?
     
  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Yeah I was being facetious, though he also turned up drunk against Jim Hall and got KOed (I don't think it was actually a fix). I'm just searching because Mitchell and Slavin fought no decisions, so I was interested to see what happened, so far this is the only one I found.
     
  5. janitor

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    That is just the point though.

    They weren't.

    In some cases they were doing significantly worse, against older versions of the same fighters!
    My answer to that would be no, but you could say the same about the opposition of many great heavyweights.
     
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    The crux of it as I see it is we don't now how good much of Sullivan's opposition was.
    I'm not in either camp here, but by the time Sullivan was touring Australia he was to all intents and purposes retired. Slavin and Jackson came along when he was essentially an inactive dissipated drunk.
     
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  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    He was an inactive, dissipated drunk from 84 on .. this is a fact .. read Isenberg about his horrid cross country tour .. it was a disaster .. he essentially had a short window of fitness between 82 - early 83 .. the rest is a press driven myth that's only rival is J. Dempsey .. where do you rate his opposition ?
     
  9. mcvey

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    I find it impossible to rate most of it.
     
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  10. janitor

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    Then an inactive dissipated drunk was able to dominate the best contenders around, and do significantly better against them than the up and coming names of the next generation.

    What does that say about his level of talent at his peak?
     
  11. he grant

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    And why do you find it impossible to rate it ? You're a long term poster on this forum with a ton of experience and overall knowledge ..
     
  12. janitor

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    Because most of the evidence has been lost.
     
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  13. mattdonnellon

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    Or maybe Corbett?
     
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  14. BitPlayerVesti

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    For anyone wonding this is why I just act like a ****head to Mendoza.

    He knows Sullivan was injured early in this fight.

    He's been told it, it's in reports, it's on boxrec. He's even acknowledged it.

    Yet he still ignores it.

    When it's brought up he makes the flimsy justication that Sullivan was a right handed fighter anyway, as if loosing use of your bad arm still isn't a massive disadvantage, and if nothing else the pain etc. would make it harder to fight. Who has ever fought at close to their best with a broken arm? Who?