Sullivan fight of the week Sullivan Burke

Interesting that. Jack fought six of them himself, I'm sure he never actually saw Sully in action, not sure about Jackson.

 

Sullivan himself said the game had changed by 1900. Johnson is correct here.

While Sullivan was past it for Corbett, I think his failure to put smaller men away years before this match shows he was wasn't very skilled, and perhaps did not hit as hard as his legend might indicate.

Sully had, but 2KO's in his last nine fights. 1885 ( when he was 26 ) to 1892

 

Show me where Mitchell defeated Slavin.

Slavin beat Kilrain faster than Sullivan did!

Let's talk about some common opponents between Slavin and Sullivan, shall we?

1 ) Slavin Ko'd Burke in 3 rounds! Isn't Burke one of Sullivan's best opponents? Yep. Sullivan age 26 won on points vs. the same guy!

One thing we might agree on is Mitchell was Sullivan's best-gloved win. And that's not saying much. Corbett, not a puncher blew away Mitchell in 3 rounds.

The other fact you might find uncomfortable is that Sullivan ducked Slavin. The police gazette owner Richard K.
Fox tried to make the fight. Sullivan balked.

 

He says in the article it's from he never actually saw Sullivan, just checked back over it.

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https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SCE0ypLQHGcC&dat=19290427&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

 

The Police Gazzete owner hated Sullivan. Slavin accepted Sullivan's retirement in 1891.

I posted the articles in this thread you could have looked if you were actuslly interested.

 

No one here ring video of Sullvian. I have seen Sullivan hitting a bag, and he's beyond terrible.

1 ) Sullivan himself if you want the best source said the game changed becoming more scientific by the early 1900's, flat out saying he would have no chance vs. Jeffries. So whatever skills you think he had were way behind what was seen in the 1890's to 1900's. How can anyone argue with this?

2 ) Janitor himself likely says that Sullivan's competition wasn't as good as his successors. The problem becomes compounded by the fact he did not face the best-gloved fighters of the 1880's to early 1890's.

3 ) It is a fact that Sullivan avoided Jackson and Slavin. Even Adam Pollack says these matches could have been made.

Question! Who is Sullvian's best win? Mitchell? Didn't you point out how small he was? I say Mitchell didn't have much power either.

 

So? My point is Sullivan had a chance for the fight and didn't take it.

1891??

Prior to the July 8, 1889 a fight between Sullivan and Jake Kilrain, was backed by Fox. That's a full two years after Sullivan's retirement and Sullivan was 29 years old when the fight was backed.

 

The best bit in that newspaper is on page one where a doctor "denies that he is dead!"
BTW Richard Fox hated Sullivan with a passion.

 

Johnson didn't always fight and give the fans their monies worth. I have several reports that say so. That was also the case in this fight! Was his arm hurt in all of these fights too

Who are you to say this was any different? Fans at ring side felt Johnson hurt his arm during the fall in the 10th round, not the 3rd. No one can say for sure when it happened, but the fall is the most logical moment.

No re-match here, and by the way what was the purse amount?

 

Yeah and that fight happened. What are you even talking about?

Slavin and Kilrain were actually different people. Shocking I know.

 

You say a lot of other stuff that isn't true too.

So you think he stopped trying after round 3, then fell and injured his arm because, people with broken arms can't fall or something, or people don't ever injure their arms boxing, even though they do. Very logic.

 

I'm saying he hurt his arm during the fall.

I'm saying Sullivan would fight Kilran, but not Slavin. History shows us this.

 

He didnt "flat out say he would have no chance against Jeffries" that is intentional deceit.

 

I'd rather concentrate on the subject of thread.If you want to dump on Johnson some more, why don't you start another of your agenda threads about him?

 

Seriously Mcvey, you need to find a new boxing forum! Read what Sullivan said, and for once learn. And stop LYING. I know what I said, you do not.

" Sullvian says Jeffries would have put in on me. "

Sullivan says " if a big man today were to fight the same way I did and try those rushes on with a man like Jeffries he'd get slaughtered, that's all.

Put it on me, and slaughtered is pretty much no chance.

Los Angeles Times, May 12th, 1907

Interview w/ John L Sullivan


"I don't mind saying that I believe that the style of fighting today is far and away ahead of the old style ... Jeffries at his best and me at my best, Jeffries would have put it on me. I never was a really scientific fighter ... My game was the old game -- standing up and fighting and depending upon sheer power and pure strength and endurance to get by. I won most of my fights by rushing ... But if a big man today were to fight the same way I did and try those rushes on with a man like Jeffries he'd get slaughtered, that's all.

He'd get himself killed ... Jeffries, with his quickness and impenetrable crouch, and his immense power of endurance, and his vast hitting power, and with all of the foot-shiftiness of the new style -- there can't be any doubt that, had it been possible for Jeff and I to meet when we were both at our best, he would have sent it over on me. More than that, I never saw the man that I thought could stand a chance to lick Jeffries. If he's wise he'll not fight any more. He's too big to get down to trim."