Creedon beat Frank Childs and Jem Smith. Fought Choyenski and later fough Kid McCoy, Jack Root and Marvin Hart Hall beat Slavin and Choyenski as well as fighting Maher and Dunkhorst (late in his career), as well as various lumps. I don't know about Craig Pritchard went back and forth with Jem Smith Langford was 5' 7 1/2" and a started around welterweight there are limits to how much muscle you can gain.
Sorry Mcvey, not sure I follow your point but; Craig-Slavin, Maher, Martin etc Pritchard-Smith Hall-Dunkhorst, Maher, Slavin, etc Creedon-Smith, Hart, Doran. My point was that up to the mid 1920's been a middleweight did not disbarr a fighter from heavyweight contension, indeed it was quite common. I so happens that in Sullivans time the better MQR boxers were mainly lightish.
McCoy,Choynski,Root were lhv's . I'm pointing out that Langford was a heavyweight for many of his later fights,similar to James Toney, how the weight was distributed on him is irrelevant.
Oh, so if Charley Mitchell had been obese he could have been a legit heavyweight, and a good win, but since he wasn't, he doesn't count. Does this really make any sense?
I'm just pointing out that Sullivans opposition wasnt much as regards size ,they may have been good fighters but the majority of them ranged from light middle to light heavy.I'm not trying to disparage John L ,because I'm actually rather a fan of his.
Corbett did not have everything his own way during this era. He dropped newspaper decisions to Burke and MacDonald. A green Corbett getting bested by a fighter who Sullivan dominated, and another who he used as a sparring partner, is probably more germane to the argument than a prime Corbett destroying a shot Mitchell.
I think that this is a valid argument, though Sullivan did beat some big fighters who we have to assume to be B grade. I don't see any reason why somebody like Mitchell or Burke could not have been as good as say Kid McCoy.
Burke's displays versus Corbett and Slavin suggests that he, McCaffrey and Mitchell were up to contender class in the later era, Godfrey too. Choynsky actually went from the Sullivan to Johnson-era without dominating or being dominated in any of this time.
Choynsky debuted in1888,Sullivan had one fiht that year and another , 4 years later against Corbett,their careers barely overlapped.Unlike Sullivan however,Choynsky's CV is studded with the best of two decades: Johnson Fitzsimmons Sharkey Corbett Jeffries Godfrey Childs Maher Ruhlin Armstrong Ryan Creedon Hall Hart Russell McAulliffe O' Donnell O'Brien McCoy Everett Walcott
There is speculation that Burke may have fought Mick Dooley in Australia, it is known he visited the country,have you any info on that Matt?
Choynski also fought Glover, I'm pretty sure he didn't fight Dooley down there. Also, boxrec losses to Abrambs and Boland I cannot verify and believe they didn't happen.