Sullivan fight of the week Sullivan Wilson

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  1. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Jeez...Wilson's face must have been ruined.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I am not aware of any evidence on that, one way or the other.

    A number of Sullivan's opponents were in a pretty bad way after the fights.

    There are pictures of Sullivan visiting Ryan in hospital.

    None of the great bare knuckle fighters fought very regularly!
     
  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Happy too .. can you define exactly when that was and against who ? I've been asking for weeks and get nothing but spun gibberish ..
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You might say:

    Thank you Janitor, you have gone to a lot of trouble, even if I can't agree with you at this stage.

    I look forward to reading your further arguments.

    What you call spun gibberish, is simply the fact that everybody is working from partial information!
     
  5. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you Janitor, you have gone to a lot of trouble. I agree with you largely.

    I am sure it was Paddy Ryan(hope i havent confused him with another), who was said to have won the world championship on "debut". My understanding is that on "debut" meant under LPR rules. The same Paddy Ryan when i last looked was experienced and was local champion of his region or perhaps state before winning the World Championship.

    If the World Title was LPR rules, doesnt that suggest that his other titles were fought under different rules? If not LPR, isnt it likely that these were MoQ or gloved fights? In Australia they used Gloves for fights, regularly. Were gloved fights common practice for LPR fighters, in between title fights? It seems hard to believe that most non title fights were not gloved affairs doesnt it? And by definition most title fight participants surely would have been experienced with the gloves.
     
  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/sully.htm

    Have fun reading about his opponents.
     
  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    So a troll and unoriginal .. predictable with 41 posts .. likely an alt .. and with nothing no less. Anyone who does not have the guts to use their original ESB identity is irrelevant.
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Maybe I'd ask for some of what are you smoking ? Seems to be good stuff. :)
     
  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    K brah. Have fun continuing to make absurd arguments based on ignoring facts.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    LPR fights were sometimes held with leather gloves, or "hard gloves" as they were called.

    Boxing gloves have been around since the 1740s, so I suspect that they were at least used for training, during the LPR era.

    Jack Broughton is credited with inventing the boxing glove.

    Before London Prize Ring rules you had the Broughton Rules, but I think that they were extinct by Ryan's time.

    I think that there is a lot that we don't yet know on this topic.
     
  11. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Weren't the Broughton rules fairly specific to the ampitheratre, so it was more of a derrivative ruleset, and not really the Broughton rules themselves? I don't know of them having any specific name.

    The LPR rules themselves got revised quite a bit over time. I think there was a gloved ruleset meant for amateur boxing matches too, I don't know much else about that.

    To add I think gloved fights were bigger in aus because of efforts by Mace and Foley.
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Not when the guy is trying to hit the canvas every time he’s touched to bide time.
     
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  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    With this fight we have three different newspapers, giving markedly different accounts of what happened.

    The Herald implied that Wilson was going down repeatedly to avoid punishment.

    The Times implied that the number of knockdowns were a result of Sullivan's use of foul tactics.

    The Sun and the Tribune implied that Wilson was simply getting knocked down repeatedly, due to the ferocity iof Sullivan's assault!

    Wilson's own post fight testimony, tends to support the interpretation of the Herald, as do other contemporary sources.

    I think that the interpretation of the Herald was correct, but I am definitely keeping an open mind!