Sumbu Kalambay vs Carlos Monzon (12 rounds)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Journeyman92, Nov 19, 2021.

Who do you think wins?

  1. Italy's Ali

    17.9%
  2. King Carlos!

    75.0%
  3. Draw

    7.1%
  1. michael mullen

    michael mullen New Member Full Member

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    You idiot
     
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  2. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe. But that's a lot of assumptions.

    The point is we can't know what styles and levels of skill Monzon faced, prior to him being thrust into the limelight. Thus, we can only speculate - not state as fact - that he did not face a natural middleweight with the speed and boxing skill of Kalambay.


    Kalambay was exceedingly good, but he wasn't in possession of some singular set of skills, beyond comprehension.


    I think Kalambay makes a fight of it, but there are levels and Monzon was a couple of those, upwards from Kalambay, in my opinion.

    What we do know about Monzon is that he went 80 fights undefeated, over 13 years, beating every one of his Championship Challengers, who came in a variety of shapes, sizes and styles.


    Fair enough but, understandably, it came across as you stating the "problem", in relation to this thread, its topic and the posters, who favor Monzon.


    It is what I see IN GENERAL, when it comes to Monzon, and I would wager it is more evident and a bigger "problem" than the idea people glibly "cling to status".
     
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  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 "Jack sure can whack” banned Full Member

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    If there was anyone as good as Sumbu on his record I am certain we’d know of it but I won’t debate it, it’s a circular argument.

    I’m not saying he is, but he is good enough to compete here and have a case for winning and as for levels most likely yes he was a great champion after all.

    The point of all this was to put him against someone we’d have no idea about- someone completely different it’s all for fun and Sumbu was on or above the level of Monzons opponents.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Mike Mullen seems very aggressive and confrontational for someone here with so few posts. An alt I bet. Or someone booted rebooted which is fine but curious.
     
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  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can then be petitioned under law of your state, committing harm to yourself. You could be admitted for a 72 hour evaluation.
     
  6. michael mullen

    michael mullen New Member Full Member

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    Very smart poster you are he grant..I am red cobra.
     
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  7. michael mullen

    michael mullen New Member Full Member

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    The Baker Act
     
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    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes sir correct.