Super heavyies of the old days

I think Klitschko's and Lewis do well in any era but the the big guys of the past caused the term the bigger they are the harder they fall....even Valuev, Bowe and the rest would not fair well with the like of Joe Louis who would chop them down promptly

 

For a while I wondered how Max and Buddy Baer would match up against Wlad and Vitali Klitschko, especially after the way Max savagely battered Primo Carnera around the ring. But then I saw how Lou Nova just handled Max and how he didn't seem to have any inside game whatsoever and realized those brothers wouldn't have stood a chance against K2.

Also, while we're on the subject of the Baer Brothers, Max Baer's shoulders are enormous for his frame. I know he's almost 6'3" anyway, but it looks like he had some sort of childhood illness or diet problem that prevented him from growing to a natural 6'6" like his brother and his son. His reach is 81 inches which is a little long even for a guy who's 6'3". It's no wonder he was one of the hardest punchers ever. The question is did he hit harder than his brother who has 23 first round knockouts? Did he have better technique?

 

Are you seriously lumping in Bowe with Valuev? Don't you think there might be a bit of a gulf in skill between the two?

Which of Louis' opponents do think would give the Bowe of the Holy trilogy any trouble? Granted, Bowe was not durable over the long haul but he was damn good offensively and was very large.

 

Lol, Valuev had gigantism.
Not naturally tall, people with gigantism also age very quickly and have other problems, same goes for Carnera.
The only thing they have is a size advantage but with many added disadvantages because of their gigantism.

I really doubt Louis does well against athletic! good superheavies.

And don't forget Ike Ibeabuchi is also a shw and I doubt Louis would be able to survive Ike.
Louis has a 50 pound weight disadvantage there and Ike has one hell of a chin and power, while Louis was a terrefic puncher for his weight his chin was far from being nr1.

(Ike is 28% heavier than Louis, would be like comparing a superfeather with a supermiddleweight. Though diminishing returns so let's say a welterweight.)
A 130 lbs Mayweather would be able to fight bum welters with ease, but no way in hell he could become the lineal Welter at just 130.
A good bigger man >>> a good smaller man >>> a bad bigger man >>> a bad smaller man.

 

No I am not lumping them together nor am I underestimating some of Valuev's strengths which are undermined,Nick did nothing great and did not have serious power anywhere you would suspect a 300lb muscular man could generate but was never embarrassed or beaten badly, a lot of his fights were close wins some controversial but close nevertheless . Bowe was more talented and had solid power even when he was a light heavyweight but was easy to hit, he had a strong inside game for a big man but also got hit a lot of the inside and did not utilize his size like Vlad or Lewis.

As for the trilogy with Holyfield it was at the time Evander was suffering from his heart aliments and was reporting stamina issues but he still acquitted himself well enough. Who do I think of Bowes opponents that would beat Louis = NONE including Bowe, who of a near prime Louis's opponents may be able to beat Bowe, Schmeling,Max Baer,Walcott, to name a few and judging from the 1st and 2nd Golota fights many others may have had a shot from an underdog position

 

Ike's best win was over Byrd (his win over Tua was too close to call IMO) The Tua fight made Ike look somewhat fast (Tua was slow) but if in the ring with Louis, Joe's combo speed and power would be apparent. I would bet a large sum on Joe Louis to chop Ike down

 

The way Holyfield was hitting Bowe almost at will tells me that Louis would murder him. He'd beat the hamburgers out of Bowe. At 6'2 207lbs, Louis is as big as Holyfield, except he was natural - not pumped and roided up like Evan Fields.

 

The big period-pardon the pun-for super heavyweights was during the White Hope era when 6-3 and upwards became pretty common, though I think some of the heights were exaggerated. Interestingly weights seldom topped 15/16 stone(210-225). Few were really good but then again not that many are that good now either.

 

Holyfield is an inch taller than Louis with two inches more reach. He is a natural 215.

 

.....parts of louis/simon 1 exist. he had a telephone poll hard accurate left jab and he gave louis a lot of trouble with it.very game tough guy.

 

I stand corrected, I think I stated it was 'unfilmed'. I think it was the last heavyweight championship bout scheduled for 20 rounds.

Yeah, Abe Simon was known to have a ramrod left jab. He started out as a southpaw amateur but under Gene Tunney's advice he switched to orthodox, turning that left cross power into a left lead.
Joe Louis seemed to take that jab away from him in the rematch by crowding inside and fighting explosively. But then Louis was known to make things a lot easier for himself in rematches.