Super Joe Calzaghe vs Andrew SOG Ward?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Based on..?
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neither were Reid, Bika or Hopkins etc.

    A tough stylistic match up for both of them.
     
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  3. maac

    maac Member Full Member

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    Yawn.
    I love Joe Calzaghe.
    I hate Andre Ward.
    Ward wins.
     
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  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Is it fair to say Joe and Hopkins were past their best when they met? You really can't compare this fight to how a Ward one would play out.
     
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  5. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe. Too much workrate and dynamism.
     
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  6. funkykoval

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    Joe beats nobodies only

    past Roy does not count

    Joe is more like Lucian Bute

    hometown protected fighter
     
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  7. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Based on his victories of bent nose Manfredo and Jeff Lacy :lol:
     
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  8. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe. He was the much better fighter. Great handspeed and a vastly superior ring IQ. Ward was a dirty fighter who used headbutts and low blows to win his biggest battles. A good fighter but not going to beat Joe.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Super Joe is too fast, active, fit, tough, skilled and clever for Dre and he'd beat him with two legal weapons not by octopus grabbing him to death to prevent him from.. god forbid.. landing shots on him, or using his head as a battering ram and elbows to slice up his face, and punching him in the plums all night.

    Also, Dre retired aged 32-33 because of injuries and his ''body no longer being able to withstand the rigors of the sport.'' What a wuss. Joe was an injury-ravaged mess for most of his career and the tools of his trade his hands (Dre's tools were his billy goat skull, his elbows, and his hands) were in a terrible state long before he turned pro

    A 19 y/o Calzaghe

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    ''I just hope my hands get better.. keep OK.. so I can turn professional and be good at it.''

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    But he still persevered 3-4 years longer than Dre despite the fact his hands had been in a terrible state and completely shot to bits for years


    And unlike Dre, Joe trained out of a dilapidated large shed for most of his career, until like his 10th-11th defence IIRC,



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    It didn't even have a proper ring in it. It was just four posts, some rope and carpeted floor

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    With that wuss mindset Dre would've never have even have turned pro if he had to train out of a rickety old shed and he had to contend with Joe's injury woes.
     
    Serge, Aug 20, 2023
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  10. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    SOG would headbutt Joe's fragile hands, and then headbutt him into oblivion.
     
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  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    That Kessler fight was huge for Joe. He was past his best IMO and still put on a good show.
     
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  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Ghetto kid and I love it.
     
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  13. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Pretty much this. Ward can only win this with judges and referee.
     
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  14. maac

    maac Member Full Member

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    Problem is, with his ugly style, very high IQ, Ward nullifies opponent's tools. And he is meaner.
    Calzaghe is loved by the majority (including me), very fan friendly style, very high workrate,
    offensive minded, beautiful boxer, but Ward is stylistically a nightmare for him.
     
    maac, Aug 21, 2023
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  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He wasn’t the much better though.

    He didn’t have vastly superior ring IQ.

    Yes, Ward could be dirty at times. But he didn’t foul his way to victory over Kovalev. He broke him down systematically. He didn’t win on a foul.

    Why couldn’t he have beaten Joe?

    Joe never beat anybody as good as a prime version of Ward.

    He also struggled against lesser fighters, and fighters who had stylistic similarities.

    Joe never did anything in his career for anyone to believe that he’d have beaten Ward with ease.
     
    Loudon, Aug 22, 2023
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