Super Middle to Light Heavy to Cruiser

You're right. Cruiser is almost a 'mini heavy' division. Once you get over that 175, you've got 25 pounds to play with. You don't have to weigh the max.

I like it to be honest.

Why supermiddle? Ask sugar ray leonard. He's the man the division was created for from memory.

 

look at percentage of total mass or bodyweight in a shift of weight class

175lb to 200lbs is about 15% of total change
126lbs to 130lbs is only a shift of about 3%

the same change of about 15% would put a 126lb fighter in with the welter weights. Now thats very similar to Floyd Starting at 130 and fighting Junior middle. Oscar starting at 135 and fighting middle

Pacquiao makes an interesting one. starting his career at 106 and fighting at 126 is an increase of just over 20% (20 ou of 100 easy one to work out hahahaha) if he was to try and fight at 135lbs or higher he would be fighting at an increase of weight in the area 35% of his original bodyweight

 

Yes, but with Pacquiao, you have to take into account he was 16 when he started fighting pro. Barrera's first fight was at 112 because he was so young. Mayweather at 16 was fighting at like 122 or something in the amateurs I believe. Julio Caesar Chavez started when he was 17 I believe and fought at 118 a few times, and he went all the way to 147.

 

Of course the age has a significant effecton growth etc. I wouldnt ever suggest Manny was a beast for going up in weight etc because he did start young (since you have just told me i didnt know). The example revolves around the fact that the step from super middle to light heavy is the same more or less as stepping 126 to 130 its a 3 to 4 % body shift.

Makes the shift of 14/15% from light heavy to cruiser seem huge

 

there is a lot of difference between 139 and 150 the bigger guys can actually walk into the ring alot bigger. after they make weight 147lbs can step into the ring weighing 160 if they want

 

Are you saying you didn't know? Or are you saying that I SAID you didn't know about Pacquiao's early start?

Either way, I get your point about the larger weights. I pointed out what I for other reasons that have nothing to do with this thread, and probably should have refrained from doing so.

 

That's a good PERNT

 

Sorry i meant that i didnt know bout Manny.....he is not one of my favourites and didnt know he started so young.

 

WOW!!! I just read on fightnews everyone read your post and they deleted the SMW division. Good job!

 

tis just more money for the sanctioning bodies really. more weight classes means more belts, means more 'title' fights means more sanctioning fees.

 

I see the point. But if the rules were to be like that, people would have to still hold weight 30 min. before the fight. Otherwise you would have Bute coming in at 185 against a guys who naturally cant go over 170, but still unable to go lower.

 

To a boxer 7 pounds is a massive amount of weight. I suspect most of the people here who want to abbolish divisions have never boxed themselves.

I have and I can tell you that it's a huge difference. Yes there's a huge difference between 175 and 200 now but that is because 10lbs was added to the cruiser limit. It's silly ot look at that gap and think that 7lbs is and insignificant wieght difference because it is not.

 

It sure did. I think it was the IBF who first raised the limit and then the other orgs fell in line. It was raised because of the large disparity between heavies who are now MUCH larger and the cruiser weight division. You had heavies as small as 200lbs fighting men who outweighed them by 30-40lbs. I think it made sense to increase the limit from 190 to 200.

 

168 needs to be there. it's been one of my favorite divisions for ages now.

 

If there were fewer divisions people wouldn't have to worry about moving up anyway, as there would be far greater competition in ones own weight class. More fighters could do a Hopkins/Calzaghe, and achieve at the weight rather than scaling the weights and cherrypicking weak beltholders as is the current trend

Of course if somebody did actually moe up in weight the achievement would actually mean something