Super Middleweight P4P Top 20, Opinions?

Interesting post. I try and base P4P ratings on results and achievements rather than just potential which can go unfulfilled. Here goes

1. Bute IBF champ
2. Ward WBA S champ
3. Kessler WBC champ emeritus
4. Froch WBC champ
5. Steiglitz WBO champ

That part was easy. Now here goes for the rest. Possibly

6. Balzsay WBA regular champ?? Maybe
7. Magee WBA INT champ?? Maybe

I give up but think Bika, Groves, DeGale, Quillin, Johnson, Markussen should all be in the top 20

 

Quillin hasn't fought at 160 or below in about 8 fights now, and he beat Brinkley at about 166 not long ago, so I have him at SMW instead of MW. Not sure if his next fight will be at 160. Thanks though. There's not a lot separating the guys in the 1-4, 8-14 and 15 - 25 ranges.

 

Taylor is 1-2 with 2 kos at 168

 

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who the **** has bute fought to be ranked so high

 

He won a close fight against Sierra, the one who won against Donovan George TKO.

 

You are obviously just taken in by hype. Read on...

I agree Bute hasnt fought the top guys yet but look at resumes overall

Bute beat Bika - better than Ward,
Miranda - better than Ward,
Andrade twice, first time Andrade was #3 SMW
Joppy,
Zuniga, better than Cloud and Cloud beating Zuniga has put him above Dawson
Brinkley
Berrio - Holds a win over Steiglitz
Magee who was European champ and world rated fighter who hasnt lost in 10 fights and is now WBA INT champ
Mendy undefeated

Ward has beaten
Kessler - A very good win better than any name on Bute resume but remember that Kessler was an unwell fighter
Miranda
Green - who lost to Miranda and was KOd in his next fight
Bika
Abraham coming off of 2 clear S6 defeats and not wanting to fight at SMW at that time


Now Wards victory over Kessler (even if he wasnt unwell) isnt better overall than Andrade, Berrio, Zuniga etc.
Remember that Cloud scoring a victory on points over Zuniga put him above Dawson in The Ring rankings.
Andrade was in the top 5 when Bute beat him and Bute beat Bika years before Ward, so you could say Ward beat a post Bute Bika.
Magee is more accomplished at SMW than Green, Abraham and Bika.


As ratings go. Ward beat #1 Kessler, who beat Froch. Now Bute doesnt have a resume as good as Froch or Kessler, but does have an overall better resume than Ward. So Bute gets to #1 kind of by default

 

Hell yea! A Canadian who tells the truth!

 

there are 20 supermiddleweights?

 

1. Andre Ward (WBA)
2. Carl Froch (WBC)
3. Lucian Bute (IBF)
4. Mikkel Kessler
5. Robert Stieglitz (WBO)
6. Glen Johnson
7. Sakio Bika
8. Thomas Oostuizen(IBO)
9. Kelly Pavlik
10. George Groves
11. Librado Andrade
12. Brian MaGee
13. Renan St Juste
14. Allen Green
15. Anthony Dirrell
16. Karoly Balzsay
17. James DeGale
18.

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19. Aaron Pryor Jr.
20. Ezequiel Osvaldo Maderna

 

A Ward
L Bute
M Kessler
C Froch
R Stieglitz
G Johnson
T Oosthuizen
P Quillin
J Gonzales
G Groves
L Andrade
M Periban
K Pavlik
S Kashtanov (robbed against Balzsay; I had him up 116-112)
K Balzsay


Maxim Vlasov is moving up to LHW, else he'd be in there somewhere toward the back end.


...that's fifteen. Must I keep on going, all the way to twenty? Really not a great division, outside of the top few.

If so, flesh out that bottom six with the likes of Edwin Rodriguez, Will Rosinsky, Shawn Estrada, Kenny Anderson, and Adonis Stevenson.