Super Six Replacements: Who are they? Who should they be?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by David Fanning, Sep 15, 2009.


  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Let's see, Pavlik effectivley countered Taylor repeatedly, but he can't counter Williams? Non-sense.

    Pavlik will have to trade with PW, and that will cost him the fight? Ya, you bet, Williams hits harder than Miranda, Taylor, and Hopkins; okay:patsch

    The LAST THING Pwilly should try to do is trade with Pavlik. Oddly enough that is exactly what George Perterson says they WILL do. If Paul tries to fight that way, this is over in 5 rounds, and PW will never be the same fighter again.

    Williams needs to use a stick and move stategy. Keep Pavlik chasing him. Use that jab and lots of lateral. Win rounds and stay the **** away from Kelly. He could be the first middleweight to answer the bell for round 10 against Pavlik if he'll fight smart, but he still won't win.
     
  2. dbouziane

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    :deal what i was thinking
     
  3. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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    Ok we'll see what will happen. I will be rooting for Kelly BIG time, that's for sure.
     
  4. dbouziane

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    that's not to say pwilly has no business in the ring w/ pav at all. he just doesnt fight the way bhop does and the way bhop fights is what gives/gave pav all sorts of problems. standing and trading doesnt seem to bother pav one bit.

    it all depends on how williams decides he wants to approach this fight.
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    A lot of people who pick Williams to win really ought to go back and watch Pavlik/Taylor II very carefully. It is a myth that Pavlik simply wore Taylor down and outworked him. Kelly outboxed Jermain, PERIOD. He countered JT's jab and his right, he slipped punches, rolled with punches, threw beautiful left hands off of right hand feints , et, et.

    The lefts KP threw off of right hand feints were awesome. He figured out early on that JT was scared shitless of his right hand, after that every time Kelly threatened JT with a right, Jermain reacted and ran right into a left hand. He did the same thing to Rubio, and once PW catches a couple rights, KP will be able to do the same thing to him!

    People have always underestimated Pavlik's boxing skill. He is a better boxer than Williams, and come December 5th people will see that, but they won't believe, and will stay in denial. After all, Kelly Pavlik is "just a one dimensional slugger."
     
  6. therealdeal

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    Because this is a Showtime tournament and HBO is still riding the Pavlik train.

    I think the jury is still out on Pavlik above 160. Both his performances over the weight against Hopkins and Taylor 2 were not by any means impressive.
     
  7. therealdeal

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    Can you imagine a WBA Super 6 tournament of Kessler, Perdomo, Inkin, Abraham, Bozic and Murat? Whoo-hoo!!! Sign me up for that travel/ticket package...
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Pavlik is not in the tournament because Sauerland did not want him in. The abraham myth is built entirely arouind the illusion that KP ducked AA. What else was it built on? His resume?:patsch Pavlik's presence in the tourney would destory the AA myth, and Sauerland could not allow that.

    And Pavlik/Taylor II ended with Kelly Pavlik scoring a clear UD over Taylor. Hopkins failed to do that in two attempts, and Winky could not do it either. In other words, an ATG great and a future hall of fame inductee failed where Pavlik succeeded. Pavlik's record at, near, and above 168 is 13-1 with 11 KO's. I call bull**** on this crap about him not looking good above 160.
     
  9. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    Believe me, you're not telling me anything new as far as the alphabet rankings are concerned. I just threw those out there because whether we like it or not, they are official. The independant ones selected before were selected to show Bika ranked above Dirrell and Ward. Anybody can make an independant top ten list. As far as spitting on other boxers to prove my point....as long as they accept the paycheck, they are fair game.
     
  10. David Fanning

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    I think Pavlik is going to win...but his shenanigans lately aren't making me root for him like I might have otherwise. As far as the power goes, Williams did not look like he was ready for Wright's power at all! It was out of his league, and Pavlik's power is even yet on another level. Not that Williams wasn't ready for Winky in general, just not the power.
     
  11. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    Hard for me to agree with...but I completely agree with you on Pavlik vs. Abraham and Kessler. Oh...and of COURSE Taylor.
     
  12. David Fanning

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    Plus, what I like is that Bute, Andrade and Green are all fighting within a time frame that coincides with the first round of the tournament.
     
  13. booradley

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    Pavlik could easily create the same kind of situation JT did in the 3rd round of Froch/Taylor. That situation arose because JT couldn't miss Froch with left hands. It was a right that put Froch on his arse, but it was constant lefts that set it up. Pavlik has a stiffer and more versatile left than Jermain. That was no flash knock down. You could see it coming 30 seconds before it happened. Pavlik would not have let Froch out of that round. Froch has a good chin, but he is wide open to Pav's 3 best weapons.

    I'm not sold on Ward or Dirrell. They look like they have potential, but guys like Pavlik and Froch test opponents in ways I do not think Ward and Dirrell are ready for. I made the point in a previous post that beating the **** out of Pavlik/Froch is a bit like kicking a rapid pit bull. They do not grow cautious or back off. Either guy will just get pissed off and turn killer on ya. I do not thing Ward and Dirrell are ready for that yet.
     
  14. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    I definitely knew this about you. But you never felt it necessary to insult me to get this acrossed. You've seen what I have to say about Ward, so I just didn't want to beat it to death.
     
  15. chatty

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    Hopkins, Wright, Bute and Andrade all could be classed as quality standbys, some even better than the starting cast